ot: Novation speed dial: how usefull ?

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:21 am

i have become really curious on the speed dial function featured in the novation sl compact and nocturn (btw, is it out yet ? anyone has one already ?)

i have seen some user saying that it has strange behaviour and not always work (as usual in novation amazing new features...)

can pls more users share their opinion on the speed dial usabillity ?

as an example one of the uses i would like to give it would be to move the 1 warp marker from audio tracks,
can anyone pls try to see if it works ?

btw if it does by hovering the mouse over the warp marker
can u also try to se if it works just by setting focus to the marker
(alt - down down when in clip view, at this point one can move the marker with the keyboard arrow keys)

i was hoping the speed dial would also take over but maybe i am streching a bit...

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:59 am

*bumped*

djgroovy · Post by **djgroovy** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:04 pm

Epá, acho que és o primeiro português que vejo aqui sem ser eu.

Boas.

I haven't used it, but i've seen the videos and it seems pretty great. Just place the mouse on top of what you want to control and tweak it.
I can't wait to get a new controller, i'm thinking SL61.
Currently i have the old Remote 25, which doesn't even feature automap, and it's only 2 octaves to play!

Mr Man · Post by **Mr Man** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:14 pm

dont know about he warp marker but i will try later.

i actually find this feature to be rather shit. You hover the mouse over a parameter and then have to push/hold down the knob to use it. I think it would be far better if pushing the button would lock the knob to watever the mouse is on!

Also if it could be used as a standard midi control it would be nice, but it cant - no #cc or nrpn etc

dom · Post by **dom** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:27 pm

afaik you only have to hover your mouse over a parameter and you can tweak it right away.
Technically, however, i guess you will get the same erratic behavior while doing so as with the wacom tablets due to Live's different handling of mouse events - no confirmed real world experiences available yet.

Dom

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:50 pm

djgroovy wrote:Epá, acho que és o primeiro português que vejo aqui sem ser eu.
Boas.

I haven't used it, but i've seen the videos and it seems pretty great. Just place the mouse on top of what you want to control and tweak it.
I can't wait to get a new controller, i'm thinking SL61.
Currently i have the old Remote 25, which doesn't even feature automap, and it's only 2 octaves to play!

ioles !!

poix, de facto tb n tenho a nocao de ter dado k um tuga antes por estes lados

i also have a remote 25,
that i set as 3 different control surfaces in live thru the user remote scripts,
all works ok except it does not receive fe3dback on the parameter names as the sl does....

good luck with your sl61, but be aware that lots of ppl have always complained about automap and i dont really know if it is all sorted out now...

Mr Man: i wil be waitinf on your feedback about using the speed dial with warp markers...

btw: did i understand ok, you need to klick the speed dial bfr using it ?
most of the ppl seem to say you only need to have the mouse over it, but maybe it is bcs novation wrote that...

dom: u mentioned erratic behaviour, have u experienced it yet or just logically assuming it ?

to all: tx alot for your feedback !

dom · Post by **dom** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:01 pm

Just as i wrote: technically i guess(!) and no(!) real world experiences yet.

I marked the relevant words for you ;-)

Cheers,
Dom

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:48 pm

lollll, fully noted, dom

sorry if it seemed i got any conclusion out from your first post,
i didn´t and just asked to confirm....

and only now i noticed you are from support team

nice to know this little humble thread caught your attention
as i am trying to see if the mentioned feature (novation speed dial) would allow me to use one of live´s most ancient features (move a warp marker) thru midi

(how nice it would be if all of live´s functions were easily midi / key mappeable;)

salatspinatra · Post by **salatspinatra** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:55 am

The speed dial is not useful in adjusting your initial warp marker or any warp marker for that matter. Take the mouse focus thing very literally. The speed dial moves anything it's pointed at. when you move the warp marker, the mouse sits in its place on the screen while other markers and grid points will stream under it. Once ANYthing is under the mouse IT now has focus, and you'll loose focus of the initial warp marker you were playing with. Except for more minute changes or for rather unflexible effect, you can't do much with the speed dial in this regard.
One thing I'd like to know is: can you CC the speed dial entirely? I mean, just get rid of the thing! With the notches and the press-in, I'd rather use it as a scene change/fire all in one. Or to scroll through my rack chains. What else, after having so many control numbers, would be left unassigned that you'd really need the speed dial?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 pm

take a griffing powermate. Set it to "arrow up" and "arrow down".

Click on anything you want to control and then tweak it with the big knob!

-same thing, innit?

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:18 pm

I don't like it neve use it. You can press it down and skip through presets, that's OK, also it's detented, that's demented.

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:26 am

I never use mine.

salatspinatra · Post by **salatspinatra** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:08 pm

Machinate-I'm thinking it's close enough to a powermate that I'd only be talking semantics.
With the Nocturn, the mouse need only hover over a location on the screen, and It will increase/decrease, expand/contract, and a few other things. I don't think it's an actual arrow up/down key combination because if you are in the scene grid, it won't know to fly down and up the scenes. I'm not in front of my machine, but I think it will either trigger the contextual menu (control click) or select a bunch of scenes (shift click).

The hovering, IMO, is actually worse-it's the thing that aggravated the initial question of this post, and just imagine tapping it by accident while in your set? Naturally, the mouse has to be SOMEWHERE on the screen at any point in time. That means the smart knob will most likely do SOMETHING if you bump it.

guerillabass · Post by **guerillabass** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:58 am

Machinate wrote:take a griffing powermate. Set it to "arrow up" and "arrow down".

Click on anything you want to control and then tweak it with the big knob!

-same thing, innit?

Is it that easy ?

Sweeeeet. I want one.

salatspinatra · Post by **salatspinatra** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:30 pm

I'd have to agree with you. Detented would otherwise be a good thing, IMO, but in this case, each notch of a turn does NOT correspond to a single digit CC change. So turning 2 clicks clockwise, for example, would NOT mean slotting 2 scenes down in your Session grid, for example (even IF you got it to work this way, which it doesn't).

ot: Novation speed dial: how usefull ?

ot: Novation speed dial: how usefull ?

to answer your question

Like a Griffin Powermate

detended demented