Live audio quality?
Live audio quality?
Is it me or does live sound dull and less detailed than DAWs such as cubase and logic ? I have also found the headroom to be lacking and things start to sound mushy when you start pushing up the volume.
Anyone have any tips on how to achieve the very best audio quality from Live I use the Hi Q on all my Clips but it still sound quite and a bit dull.
Cheers
K
Anyone have any tips on how to achieve the very best audio quality from Live I use the Hi Q on all my Clips but it still sound quite and a bit dull.
Cheers
K
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Hi Krisstoff,
the topic comes up in regular intervalls, and this is why some folks react a bit harsh to it. People here on the forum did a lot of tests and as a result allways came to the conclusion that nothing is wrong with Live. However, as a reaction to those threads we also did internal tests and comparisons between other DAWs and we found out that if you look careful enough you'll find slight differences between the ideal world and reality in pretty much all DAWs, and that Live is not exeptionally bad here. We are talking about distortion or noise as a result of internal rounding errors and things like this in the range of -180dB to maybe -130dB.... I have serious doubt that this is audible unless you do the most most most extreme treatments.
If you really experience audible issues in a specific case, there must be a simple explanation and a solution for it. The notion of "something sounds muddy" unfortunately will not help so much, since if we cannot track it down to a specific problem, we cannot improve things.
Talking about improving: as a result of the tests we did, we could indeed improve some details, and those improvements will be part of the next major update. But
none of those things IMHO has the power to make a track sound more or less muddy, because even the slightest EQing of some fraction of a dB would be a magnitude more significant.
Best, Robert
the topic comes up in regular intervalls, and this is why some folks react a bit harsh to it. People here on the forum did a lot of tests and as a result allways came to the conclusion that nothing is wrong with Live. However, as a reaction to those threads we also did internal tests and comparisons between other DAWs and we found out that if you look careful enough you'll find slight differences between the ideal world and reality in pretty much all DAWs, and that Live is not exeptionally bad here. We are talking about distortion or noise as a result of internal rounding errors and things like this in the range of -180dB to maybe -130dB.... I have serious doubt that this is audible unless you do the most most most extreme treatments.
If you really experience audible issues in a specific case, there must be a simple explanation and a solution for it. The notion of "something sounds muddy" unfortunately will not help so much, since if we cannot track it down to a specific problem, we cannot improve things.
Talking about improving: as a result of the tests we did, we could indeed improve some details, and those improvements will be part of the next major update. But
none of those things IMHO has the power to make a track sound more or less muddy, because even the slightest EQing of some fraction of a dB would be a magnitude more significant.
Best, Robert
Thanks for responding here Robert. This post could've easily been ignored as this topic has been beaten to death with a stick.Robert Henke wrote:Hi Krisstoff,
the topic comes up in regular intervalls, and this is why some folks react a bit harsh to it. People here on the forum did a lot of tests and as a result allways came to the conclusion that nothing is wrong with Live. However, as a reaction to those threads we also did internal tests and comparisons between other DAWs and we found out that if you look careful enough you'll find slight differences between the ideal world and reality in pretty much all DAWs, and that Live is not exeptionally bad here. We are talking about distortion or noise as a result of internal rounding errors and things like this in the range of -180dB to maybe -130dB.... I have serious doubt that this is audible unless you do the most most most extreme treatments.
If you really experience audible issues in a specific case, there must be a simple explanation and a solution for it. The notion of "something sounds muddy" unfortunately will not help so much, since if we cannot track it down to a specific problem, we cannot improve things.
Talking about improving: as a result of the tests we did, we could indeed improve some details, and those improvements will be part of the next major update. But
none of those things IMHO has the power to make a track sound more or less muddy, because even the slightest EQing of some fraction of a dB would be a magnitude more significant.
Best, Robert
My feeling is that as Live ages, the code will mature and become as robust if not more sophiticated than "the other DAWs".
Best,
dp
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whatever.
you asked an extremely vague question that has been the subject of about a billion pointless threads that invariably end with people ignoring evidence and test results with statements like, "you just can't hear the difference because you're not as *pro* as i am." and "my ears are better than a phase cancellation test".
seriously, go check out the fun, use the forum search tool to look for sound quality and search all terms.
.lm.
you asked an extremely vague question that has been the subject of about a billion pointless threads that invariably end with people ignoring evidence and test results with statements like, "you just can't hear the difference because you're not as *pro* as i am." and "my ears are better than a phase cancellation test".
seriously, go check out the fun, use the forum search tool to look for sound quality and search all terms.
.lm.
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Yeah but dude, to be fair to Krisstoff, the search on this forum is practically worthless. It's not like you can type in something like "ableton live audio quality" and get what you want quickly. I just did that search and got 77 thousand fucking results. The number one result returned was "what was the name of that eric b and rakim song..."
Yes it's been asked a million times, yes he could have found the answer probably not more than a few pages deep into this forum, but in my experience, you can't expect phpBB's search function to be worth a shit.
Yes it's been asked a million times, yes he could have found the answer probably not more than a few pages deep into this forum, but in my experience, you can't expect phpBB's search function to be worth a shit.
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Reminds me of what I read every month in Sound on Sound, where some producer/whatever says something like "I use X desks exclusively, cause nothing else can match the sound..." - the differences between the mixing desks/other hardware, and the difference between the DAWs is what will give them their character, and I for one would rather that the different DAWs had their own character than to all sound identical.Robert Henke wrote:we found out that if you look careful enough you'll find slight differences between the ideal world and reality in pretty much all DAWs, and that Live is not exeptionally bad here
Sorry, I was bored and felt like rambling a bit.