Looper direct monitoring not working

[ivanohe]

Hello,

I would like to know if it is possible to record audio in Looper with monitoring set to OFF? I can do it for an audio clip and it work but if I try on Looper, it just didn't receive any audio at all (the input meter of looper stay quiet even when recording). Setting monitoring to IN/Auto work correctly. I want to bypass any audio latency since I am playing hand percussion and monitor through air.

I am using live 8.2.6.

I am pretty sure I read in some post that it should work so it may be a bug in this particular version of live...

thanks
Yves

[martskre]

Hello,

I would like to know if it is possible to record audio in Looper with monitoring set to OFF? I can do it for an audio clip and it work but if I try on Looper, it just didn't receive any audio at all (the input meter of looper stay quiet even when recording). Setting monitoring to IN/Auto work correctly. I want to bypass any audio latency since I am playing hand percussion and monitor through air.

Check the lower right corner of the Looper effect for the "Input -> Output" setting. This setting is basically Loopers own Monitor.

In your case you'll want to have monitoring enabled on your track and set the "Input -> Output" on Looper to "Never". This will mute the input signal, but your Looper will still be able to record and play sound.

Always - the input signal is always heard
Never - input is never heard
Rec/OVR - input is only audible when recording or overdubbing
Rec/OVR/Stop - input is heard, except when Looper plays

[ivanohe]

The problem is that doing so, you still have the input/output latency of the soundcard that get added to your recording. For example, if your latency is 20ms and you record hand percussion thru live looper in time with the metronome, all your hit will be 20ms late. After that, if you turn off the metronome and record a new loop (on a new looper track) in sync with the first looper, that second loop will be 40ms off the metronome and so on...

It is easy to reproduce the above test by recording the metronome output thru a mic or loopback cable, you will see that the sample recorded by live looper (if you drag the sample to a track and zoom in) is exactly late be the latency of the soundcard...

I guess that when using live looper, you really need to set the latency really low to minimise those issue...

Thanks for your answer.
Yves

[abstractblack]

Turn track monitoring to off and use an audio interface that has a direct out to your speakers. Have the looper monitor set to never. Now you have to record in clips for this to work, because with monitoring in the track set to off, Ableton records and adjust for latency upon playback. So having the looper in overdub mode while you record your first clip (or even after, if you choose to set looper monitor to always) will allow you to loop in time, you just have to be one hell of a clip firer and a patient pusher...

You could map a pedal to trigger clips and the looper multipurpose button so that you could even use the looper's awesome function of being able to set the bpm by your live actions from full stop...