Help with time stretching

[jsrobinson]

Hi all,
I've looked thru some warping tutorials and have checked out the manual, and I'm not seeming to find the info I'm looking for. I'm trying to timestretch a vocal clip for a trance track. I'm not trying to do anything with tempo points or beatmatching.

I'm hitting an issue where I cannot stretch content for very long at all. I'm 'inserting warp markers' (using Complex mode in the Options), and I can only drag so far to the right, (not even a full bar), no matter what I do. I've seen in Cubase tutorials waveforms can be stretched over a very long period of time relatively easily.

Basically I just want to be able to drag a form out a long distance to the right without getting stopped. What causes the slider to stop moving over? Thanks for any help

[siliconarc]

it can only stretch as far as 999bpm - if you look at the warp marker, it'll be at 999 if you cant push it any further.
i made a Sampler rack that can stretch samples to up to 60 seconds in length, so it's good for stretching shorter samples, one-hits etc.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=154956

[WooDz]

Either that or you're trying to stretch past another warp marker.
Personally I find Ableton's initial warp calculations to not be that good. (even for the most simplest of tracks)
For an acapella Ableton will struggle even more.
I remove all but the 1st warp marker and manually stretch the track to the original BPM (also making sure I've set Ableton's clock BPM that tempo too.) Where I see the beat or beginning of a new phase off beat, I add a warp marker and bring it back in line. I use steps of 4, 8, 16 and 32 bars to keep things in check.

I think if I was trying to get a monotonic vocal to stretch for a long period of time, I think I'd look at looping a section and use some reverb and modulation to add some depth.

[DSPI]

How about trying Paulstretch? Or is that TOO extreme?!