PLEEEAAAASSSE RECORD BYPASS

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:45 pm

Sorry to keep going on about it, but I find almost every time I use live I wish I could bypass record while holding a modifier key or pressing recorde enable buttons because when arranging I keep finding automation I need to delete because it recorded when I changed it while I was recording automation for something else.

Sometimes I waste alot of time trying to figure out what in the mix has changed since the last listen when I was later in the track and the automation was where I want it to be

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:50 pm

and then theres also the ones where you want to change the level of a track but cant because you're recording automation so you have to either cancel the recording or wait till you've finished by which time you'll have forgotten.

amo · Post by **amo** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:54 pm

Yes M. Forge, there is a "must be" here... However I'm not sur about how that would work... Buttons to arm on a per track basis seems a bit tedious, donno... I'll have to think about it I guess. At least a seperate "record automation" versus "record notes" thing... donno.
Cheers,
amo

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:10 pm

well, I think now we're sort of heading in the direction of automation clips

if you could record what automation was recorded then record it to one clip which could be triggered at the same time as another automation clip then you would have alot of control

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:25 am

maybe a more universally useful new feature could be a "lock" icon on each track, midi/key assignable, of course. Locking a track would preventing ANY changes, arrangement automation, input routing, knob/slider location, effect parameters--nothing about the track can be changed with "lock" on. Seems like this could solve you problem and surely other unique workflow problems others might have.

Ryan

amo · Post by **amo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:40 am

quandry wrote:maybe a more universally useful new feature could be a "lock" icon on each track, midi/key assignable, of course. Locking a track would preventing ANY changes, arrangement automation, input routing, knob/slider location, effect parameters--nothing about the track can be changed with "lock" on. Seems like this could solve you problem and surely other unique workflow problems others might have.

Ryan

mmm... not quite... the problem is more to lock the writting of automation, while beeing able to move sliders and knob for sound adjustment on a track A, while recording notes or recording a track B.

ben_blue · Post by **ben_blue** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:02 pm

maybe a universal "bypass automation recording" button, like lock envelopes, but EACH track has an assign for it, assigned - automation cant be recorded on that track. But, all the parameters can still be adjusted.

each track has a button to assign it, and there is one universal button to turn the feature on or off.

and/ or there could be two - one for "track" - level, pan, sends, monitor, mutes, xfader, and one for "fx" - effect params.

well?

amo · Post by **amo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:15 pm

ben_blue wrote:maybe a universal "bypass automation recording" button, like lock envelopes, but EACH track has an assign for it, assigned - automation cant be recorded on that track. But, all the parameters can still be adjusted.

each track has a button to assign it, and there is one universal button to turn the feature on or off.

and/ or there could be two - one for "track" - level, pan, sends, monitor, mutes, xfader, and one for "fx" - effect params.

well?

Well. On the paper, that makes sense, but that makes a lot of buttons... wich is not a very Live solution (at least as I see it)...

myztmuzic · Post by **myztmuzic** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:06 pm

amo wrote:
ben_blue wrote:maybe a universal "bypass automation recording" button, like lock envelopes, but EACH track has an assign for it, assigned - automation cant be recorded on that track. But, all the parameters can still be adjusted.

each track has a button to assign it, and there is one universal button to turn the feature on or off.

and/ or there could be two - one for "track" - level, pan, sends, monitor, mutes, xfader, and one for "fx" - effect params.

well?
Well. On the paper, that makes sense, but that makes a lot of buttons... wich is not a very Live solution (at least as I see it)...

Not if the buttons for each track could be hidden, like the crossfade-buttons and some other features already are in session-view. I like the idea.

ben_blue · Post by **ben_blue** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:30 pm

^^ yep i thought about it, do we really need more stuff crammed on the screen.

but i think the idea is important, i have had issues where i recorded automation for things i didnt want to, while doing it for something i did.

maybe it could be a feature where its inversed from this idea - automation is only recorded for the selected track. more times than not, if you encountered this issue in the first place, u were wanting to tweak something on one track, and everything else would be in the way. u want to automate this filter freq, and while doing it, noticed another track too loud, and just bumped it down a bit.

this would keep from having to add any buttons, and it could be a preference.

either record automation for selected track only, or as it is now - "normal."

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:44 am

really the simplest record bypass would be to just hold ctrl or alt while changing the parameter to temporarily bypass.

But I also think that the whole automation setup really could benefit from alot of improvements, clips/tracks being one.

you could right click a track and select "create automation track" then it would be linked to that track, then you could click the record enable circle for that track to record it's automation, either straight as you do now, or you could switch to session and record clips - maybe if you leave the drop down menu (clip properties) blank it records whatever changes you make to that track, otherwise if you go to the drop down menus and choose certain parameters then it only records those ones.

Also another handy feature would be maybe in "edit" menu or something where if you had selected to record automation globally (i.e. how it is now) then when you've finished you go to "edit>split automation to tracks" and it automatically splits the automation to all the relevant tracks and creates Automation tracks for them.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:30 pm

just a simple "ctrl=automation bypass"

Just let me hold control and have it not record changes - that one little thing would make me so happy.

And this is another post made just when I've thought of it - maybe I should start posting a bump every time the thought crosses my mind - then you will see just how often I think of this!

It's amazing how often I need to momentarily not record what's happening but still keep recording whatever else is recording