LFO Everything used non-commercial licensed m4l patch code

[[nis]]

even, I begin to laugh of all of that.

This is really not the right move and quite arrogant. Even if you didn't took his code (which I seriously doubt), you could have sorted this out in an adult way. IF you took it from him, you should have asked him beforehand. And even if you "forgot" to ask, it's never too late to apologize. I'm sure Edward would have given his permission anyway. Now it is probably too late.

Copying code from someone else is somewhat similar to sampling. In theory, using samples without the permission of the author is plain illegal, regardless of how short the sampled bit is.

[zigzag]

it won't be the first patch made without aknowledgement. but selling other people's work without even aknowledgement-agreement is plain unlawful. Julien, do us a favor, just don't reply again the same way you did. its better to be silent than this. it is insulting.

[Forge.]

Julien, I blogged about your LFO on my website yesterday and just had to edit it to show all this and can no longer recommend people buy it.

It's a real shame, I was looking forward to trying it because it looks really smooth and easy to use in the video. But if you really did borrow a substantial amount of someone else's code, even in a sub-patch then you really shouldn't be asking for money for it, so I look forward to trying it if/when you offer it up for free.

To be fair, I haven't looked at the code myself, but if people I respect like Stringtapper, and now even Nico from Ableton say it's the same then I have to believe them. And of course, emajcher as the original author should know his own code.

[julienb]

LFO 1.6 is out with that now famous part of the code rewrited completely.
it is simpler and a bit faster.
This part is about 2% of the WHOLE device.

I also improved the offset & several things inside.


It uses combinaison of JS & objects:

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/*
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
this funky code has been written by me, julien bayle, a particular sunday morning,
but you can edit it, as a lot of my others work, in order to inspire you, etc.
this code is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
*/

inlets = 4;
outlets = 4;

function get_those_funky_tracks()
{
    for (t = 0 ; t < num_tracks; t++)
    {
        track_table[t] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + t);
		outlet(0, "append " + track_table[t].get("name"));
    }
}

function get_those_cooly_devices(track_n)
{

	num_devices = track_table[track_n].getcount("devices");

    for (d = 0 ; d < num_devices; d++)
    {
        device_table[d] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + track_n + " devices " + d);
        outlet(1, "append " + device_table[d].get("name"));
    }
}

function get_those_gorgeous_parameters(device_m)
{
	num_parameters = device_table[current_device].getcount("parameters");
    for (p = 0 ; p < num_parameters; p++)
    {
        parameter_table[p] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + current_track + " devices " + device_m + " parameters " + p);
        outlet(2, "append " + parameter_table[p].get("name"));
    }
}

function export_the_so_so_looked_for_ID(parameter_o)
{
	outlet(3, parameter_table[parameter_o].id) ;
}

function clear_all()
{
     outlet(0, "clear");
     outlet(1, "clear");
     outlet(2, "clear");
}

function track(n)
{
   outlet(1, "clear");
   outlet(2, "clear");
   current_track = n;

   get_those_cooly_devices(n);
}

function device(m)
{
   outlet(2, "clear");
   current_device = m;
   get_those_gorgeous_parameters(m);
}

function parameter(o)
{
   current_parameter = o;
   export_the_so_so_looked_for_ID(o);
}

function bang()
{
clear_all();

liveset_observer = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set");
num_tracks = liveset_observer.getcount("tracks");

current_track = 0;
current_device = 0;
current_parameter = 0;
track_table = new Array();
device_table = new Array();
parameter_table = new Array();
get_those_funky_tracks();
}

So LFO 1.6 will probably seem cleaner from your eyes.
I hope everyone will be convinced & excited to test this new implementation!




I hope we'll have better day together, but if this is not the case, we'll be happy however.
peace.

[stringtapper]

I was waiting for David's approval before posting this, but now that Julien has changed the code and I've gotten an email from him with the new device attached that includes another claim that he did not take the code I am going to go "there."

Here is the compressed code from the patcher named "m4L.targeter" that is inside of Julien Bayle's LFO Everything device (v1.5):

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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


And here is the compressed code from the file called "emm.m4l.selected_parameter_manager" from Edward Majcher's Device LFO device:

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


And here is a screenshot in the Finder on my computer showing both files, including the creation dates:




Let the community be the judge.

[julienb]

peace.
really.

[LoopStationZebra]

[Homebelly]

Move over, i want some room too..

[simpli.cissimus]

Move over, i want some room too..

[newnumtwo]

Mark Bell does not approve.

[zeepster]

This is new to me.

I'm a customer who paid for LFO Everything in the early stages and i feel very let down by the using of another author's code in the patch. It is not my intention to beat on a dead horse here but i don't know whether to ask for a refund or let this slide.

The other guy who explains that the same font and variables were used makes a strong case and julien hasn't really convinced me otherwise. I'm not a m4l coder and haven't seen both codes next to eachother but the arguments from the other coder seem grounded.

[josquin2000]

Hmmm... not cool. Strikes home, because
I even had a even *earlier* patch in the M4l.com database (actually two) that did very much the same thing, only with a hand drawn lfo/envelope table...and one had a pair, the second triggered by end of first.
But it was buggy, and I never finished them,although it has been downloaded many times: been meaning to... *but* if the CC attribution license is ignored by this community...well, forget it, and I'm not alone here.


Folks, no one starts from scratch, no one expects total unique code, BUT!!!!
If you do not acknowledge your sources, you will lose face, not gain it, right?
l&k
j2k
aka
cfb

[tamtam]

I DIDN'T steal anything.

So, Julien Bayle is a liar and a thief.
To anyone who had a look at the code posted above this is perfectly obvious. There is no doubt or possible coincidence.
And he even claims his rewrite in javascript (!) with 3 fromsymbols (!!) is faster ...

Both your code and your behaviour is highly unprofessional. I can understand why ableton doesn't want to get involved with m4live patches licensing issues, but this coming from someone who is "Ableton Certified" with the logo on his site makes live appear in a bad light too. And it kills the active part of the comunity.

[hydrogen]

I'm glad that some of you have written m4live patches with similar features... but you've even said you haven't had time to make them work properly...

here is one guy asking for some money and maintain the feature set to keep it going. and building it up... in return you might actually get something that works 100% of the time.

Additionally, I'm sure you are all welcome to go in and do the same thing with all the stuff he has provided to the community. For example all the interactions with liveAPI, protodeck and i'm sure helping to promote Ableton in France... shit man...

just let it go. I'm hoping there are some better m4live patches that get created and maintained with a similar cost and open source structure. But hey maybe we'll have some working innovative shit for once. Instead of a hundred half working max patches because you are unmotivated to upload your final changes.

[Forge.]

ok just because I keep getting reply notifications to this and it seems to be turning into a pretty negative outpouring now…

none of my business, but my suggestion: Julien, why don't you just cut your losses and make it a "donate" button. If you don't I think people are going to keep hammering you with this.

Seems like the best way to save face IMO.

I can't see how you can earn a fortune from it now….

[/2c]