Help: First kick always sounds different (WAV included)

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:25 am

Hi folks,
i just can´t figure out how to have a solid first kick.
I tried to disable fades, but in arrangement view you can´t really turn fades off, or i don´t get how to do so.

Here is the first bar of a track where you can clearly hear, that the first kick sounds different compared to the following. I bounced the Kick down to audio btw.
The "fade" button of that clip in Session view is turned off.

Any help really appreciated!

Thomas

I uploaded the file here (484kb WAV File):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/9dpueh

And here is a picture of the Clip:
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/1kickdifferent.jpg/

emef · Post by **emef** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:08 pm

i was reading something about this here the other day, sorry i can't remember the thread
i think it was a bug that made the volume envelope fade the start of the first kick even with the fade button off

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:22 pm

emef wrote:i was reading something about this here the other day, sorry i can't remember the thread
i think it was a bug that made the volume envelope fade the start of the first kick even with the fade button off

Thanx for reply!
Guess i post it in the bugforum or send it to the support.

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:47 pm

Ok, i send it to the support.
Seems to be a problem when using Battery´s own routing system to a new audiotrack, cause when i route via the "audio to" from Live itself the first Bassdrum sounds just fine. But the cell-out-routing from Battery is very nice handled, so i hope they can fix it anyhow.

michaellpenman · Post by **michaellpenman** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:38 pm

i'm thinking you just haven't cut the kick probably. Make sure to cut the kick at the zero line.

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:51 pm

michaellpenman wrote:i'm thinking you just haven't cut the kick probably. Make sure to cut the kick at the zero line.

No, cause when i put the loop startpoint to the second kick and start from there it still sounds messed up.

michaellpenman · Post by **michaellpenman** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:17 pm

Yeah but are you set the loop correct for that loop.
Take a screen shot that will at least rule out that possibility.

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:29 pm

Not sure if this screenshot shows what you need to see, otherwise please let me know what exactely i should make a screenshot from:

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/1kickdifferent.jpg/

Thanx for your help btw!

michaellpenman · Post by **michaellpenman** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:46 pm

yeah it looks like you are cutting of a very small part of the front of the kick.
make sure to warp on the zero like .
you can load the sample into the sampler or simpler and do the midi from there

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:00 pm

michaellpenman wrote:yeah it looks like you are cutting of a very small part of the front of the kick.
make sure to warp on the zero like .
you can load the sample into the sampler or simpler and do the midi from there

When i start the Clip in Sessionview the first Kick sounds just as it should!
Problem starts as soon as I drag this very clip over to Arrangementview. All of a sudden the first kick is somehow cut off!
There is nothing cut off in the Clip, or it should sound wrong in Sessionview as well, right?

I now used one Batteryinstanz just for the Kickdrum (could have used Simpler but what the hell).

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:27 pm

Ok definitely something fishy going on, maybe due to the Fades (which can´t be deactivated in Sessionview in Live 8!).

Just do this simple test:
-create a 4/4 Kickdrum loop in Battery, Simpler or whatever Sampler you like
-freeze / flatten that track
-in Sessionview the first kickdrum should sound just like it should
-drag the clip over to Arrangementview: the first Kickdrum sounds different (muffled/ cut)

I use Live 8.0.3 on Windoes XP SP3

jteck · Post by **jteck** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:37 pm

if the loop is not in time it'll sound strange. did you try to replace the wav with the orginal?

mr.adl · Post by **mr.adl** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:41 pm

jteck wrote:if the loop is not in time it'll sound strange. did you try to replace the wav with the orginal?

Hm, not sure if i understand correct.
What do you mean with "replace the wav with the orginal" ?

Can it really be, that a loop in the Sessionview sounds different to when dropped into arrangement view??
Cause when I play the very same loop from sessionview together with everything else from arrangementview the loop sounds just right. When i drag it over to arrangement the first Kickdrum sounds different.

Shouldn´t be right, or?

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:49 am

need to link the recent threads, which I think are the ones mentioned in the first response:

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=115891

the original thread is linked from that one.

emef · Post by **emef** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:16 am

yes thats the thread i was reading that i thought might be the same as this problem

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