Buffer Shuffler Auto Dice polluting Undo history

biestyboy · Post by **biestyboy** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:05 pm

The subject title pretty much sums it up. If I use the Auto - Dice feature on Buffer Shuffler 2 my undo history gets cluttered with these random changes. Bit of a pain as it means a change I may have done only a few seconds earlier pretty much cannot be undone due to all the dicing thats happened since, rendering Undo useless with this feature enabled. Does anyone know if this can be turned off/filtered out? IMO the undo history should only include changes I've made myself.

Friedrich · Post by **Friedrich** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:46 pm

Ah, I recently noticed this too, very inconvenient.
Sorry, no solution, just a +1 from me

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:55 am

They had the same problem with m4l's LFO & envelope follover back at version 9.0.
it was fixed in the next beta... but probably they overlooked buffershuffler...

biestyboy · Post by **biestyboy** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:44 am

Thanks for the feedback, pleased it's not just me. Think I'll get it logged with Ableton as a fault.

Oscard · Post by **Oscard** » Sun May 11, 2014 9:08 pm

Same here, really a pity, since I just discovered the new one and adore it.
The previous version (Ableton 8, Max 5) was fixable as described here https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/buf ... ndo-steps/, but it didn't manage to figure it out with this version. Can't see the object that generates the changes.
Any advice from someone who's more in-depth familiar with Max would be appreciated.

adamvert · Post by **adamvert** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:50 pm

Is there really still no fix or workaround for this, 2 years later?

S4racen · Post by **S4racen** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:27 pm

No, unless the whole way that M4L works changes... You can't have something that's MIDI Mappable without it writing to the undo history....

If you can live without it being mapped then open the patch to edit, locate the Auto Dice button and change the settings from Automated and Stored to Stored only...

You can then click on it with the mouse...

Cheers
D

synthaxe · Post by **synthaxe** » Wed May 08, 2024 8:39 pm

In case anyone is still struggling with or stumbling upon this...
Based on the link in Oscard's post, this is what worked for me for BufferShuffler 2.0 :

The live.grid objects are in the 8 similar bpatcher objects on the right when you exit Presentation Mode.
For each one, open the bpatcher, unlock it and select the live.grid object. You can then set the Parameter Visibility to Hidden via the Inspector.

All pattern selection operations and automation will be available, and written to the Undo history, but any changes to the steps themselves will not, including AutoDice.

If you want total freedom from the undo history, you can also change Parameter visibility for the live.tab object (the pattern 1>10 selection button object) but that will remove automation possibility for pattern selection...

I've only tested it with the BS, but the same idea should work with most M4L devices. For non-object parameters you can always go to View > Parameters in Max and change to Hidden the visibility of the worst offenders.

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