generative ambient

OvertoneZero · Post by **OvertoneZero** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:36 am

huck make sure you check this stuff out too.. Angstrom's generative sets using the Velocity and Random devices from the Tips & Tricks forum:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:51 am

there are some other files of mine in this thread here, they use a very different method from my tutorial.

These are more similar to Robert's technique.
It's all noises from the Ableton effects and nothing else, no samples and no midi!

You have to press play, otherwise they just sound like a motorboat as someone commented!

Angstrom wrote: download an abstracty number

Download the sort of groovy ALS

Download a melodic Tangerine Dream style Generative ALS

Download the Angstrom Self Gen thingy number 4 <<<

dj_huck · Post by **dj_huck** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:07 am

yeah guys those are all good links thanks

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:10 am

[singsong voice]Oh Robert!!![/singsong voice]
any chance you could re-upload this if your still reading?
Pwweeesee

Beta Two Agonist · Post by **Beta Two Agonist** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:20 am

I would *LOVE* to examine Robert's generative set, this is really the stuff that gets my blood running faster. ghost in the shell.....

tutorial anyone?

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steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:54 pm

You can sign me up for the precious statement as well.

craftycurate · Post by **craftycurate** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:01 am

Is Robert's Generative01.als still available anywhere? The link originally supplied (http://www.monolake.de/ftp/Generative01.als.zip) is broken ...

Thanks
Richard

nathannn · Post by **nathannn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:18 am

anyone have this?

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:50 am

Robert is the man, but really what you should do is try max with live. I'm not kidding.
Neither has brought anything but love to my life. As much as live is brimming over with generative ambient possibilities, max+live= california grape-growing weather for generative ambient.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:01 am

you can do random shit with live, not generative.

a difference, there is.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:35 pm

b0unce wrote:you can do random shit with live, not generative.

a difference, there is.

That is so not true. Not to be critical, but perhaps you should spend more time experimenting with live or engaging in the tips and tricks section?

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:51 pm

I've checked out previous 'generative' tips/tricks/sets ... at the time I just didn't think they fully satisfied the definition of 'generative'....not to say it wasn't a cool sounding & rewarding process. I guess random falls under the umbrella term now... wikipedia confirms this...

Welp, I'll dig deeper and see.

danke schön

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:23 pm

my own generative explorations are not really 'random' , because that would just be atonal bloops, but they are "stochastic".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic

a random seed triggers a 'choice' of options, the options are rule sets, and the selected option has further branching sets of rules, which are selected partially randomly and partially based on current situations

because of the various constraints and rulesets the outcome is not fully random because the trick and the skill is to create rules that give a wide range of options which remain musically interesting. (not just bleeps in a scale)

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:29 pm

Angstrom wrote:my own generative explorations are not really 'random' , because that would just be atonal bloops, but they are "stochastic".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic

a random seed triggers a 'choice' of options, the options are rule sets, and the selected option has further branching sets of rules, which are selected partially randomly and partially based on current situations

because of the various constraints and rulesets the outcome is not fully random because the trick and the skill is to create rules that give a wide range of options which remain musically interesting. (not just bleeps in a scale)

And this is exactly why i would love to see clip automation and follow actions on the master channel and the returns to launch whole scenes and mess with FX Automation.

micah frank · Post by **micah frank** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:43 pm

I recently did some experiments with Kontakt's KSP scripting:
http://kamoni.net/2008/09/28/sixteen-ge ... -with-ksp/