Re: WHAT RMS FOR YOUR TRACKS?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:45 pm
you come in this thread to throw insults and post South Park?
glad you noticedTone Deft wrote:fuck you pal. that's an attack, dipshit.
You could learn something from that episode.Tone Deft wrote:you come in this thread to throw insults and post South Park?
is type a noun? is measurement a noun?Tone Deft wrote: RMS is a type of measurement, it is not a noun.
Hmm, a lot of it's subjective and unfortunately the internet is full of people who tell you what to do hen they don't *really* know what they are on about.Kent_in_CO wrote:This post made me realize that most of my tracks actually top out above -6db, usually in the -3db range. I got into this habit even after reading Tarekith's tutorials - must've missed the part where he advised to not go over -6db on the master.
Anyhow, a few questions:
- If I plan on doing my own "mastering" (meaning that I'm just going to slap a limiter on to the final mix), do I need to worry about the fact that I have less headroom? I assume there's nothing "magical" about -6db?
Correct, if you are doing it for yourself then mix to whereever you want. For my own stuff I go to -0.1 bd then start with the mastering fx (assuming no eq, i'll try to sort balance out in the track)
Then some compression then limiting.
If I am sending i out then -6dbs. Though to be honest I have delivered stuff at -1 db and it's not been a problem. They just attenuate it on the desk or whatever. . .
- If I did want more headroom, could I simply put a utility on the master and lower the gain?
Yes, also worth a check is sonalksis free g i think it's called.
much bettter than the live meters.. . (more accurate).
- I'm probably not alone in using the kick as a foundation to build a track around - in other words, the volume of the kick stays constant, while other elements are mixed around it. What peak level for a kick do you typically start out with, to ensure that your mix remains under -6db.
good question,
it varies from track to track. One project I have got open at the moment has go tthe live master at 0db, FreeG attenuating the master out by 4 dbs, the kick is at -6.8 then I have it going into the sonalksis compressor giving it about 2.5 dbs of make up gain into Elephant which is adding another 4db or so and outputting the final file at -0.3 db. RMS value is about -9/10dbs for the final track when everything is going on at the same time which is about the same as most of the stuff I have on my hard drive from beatport that I would consider loud but not excessively squashed. . . Hope that helps?
Production is a goddman rabbit hole. It seems like as soon as I have something figured out, I realize I'm doing it wrong.
a decibel is a noun, metric is a noun, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that a type of measurement (ie. rms) is a noun then.master swing wrote:is type a noun? is measurement a noun?Tone Deft wrote: RMS is a type of measurement, it is not a noun.
you're right and also wrong. it depends on what you think 'measurement' means. reading a set of measured data as a whole is a measurement in itself too, in whatever way (in this case the root mean whatever). what I quote you saying is that a measurement is one value out of a limited set of values, but one can also use the set of values as a whole to calculate figures about the set in total, like in this case, the RMS. so I believe you're wrong on this one.Tone Deft wrote:RMS is a way of reading a measurement. it's not a measurement in and of itself.
it's audioman asshole. I like audio, this stuff matters to me. piss off.steko wrote:One day Semanticsman will crush you all!
my only point is that the thread title was vague and the OP might want to revisit RMS to more accurately convey what he's asking for.SimonPHC wrote:you're right and also wrong. it depends on what you think 'measurement' means. reading a set of measured data as a whole is a measurement in itself too, in whatever way (in this case the root mean whatever). what I quote you saying is that a measurement is one value out of a limited set of values, but one can also use the set of values as a whole to calculate figures about the set in total, like in this case, the RMS. so I believe you're wrong on this one.Tone Deft wrote:RMS is a way of reading a measurement. it's not a measurement in and of itself.