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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by H20nly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:48 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote:
UKRuss wrote: all atheists spout Dawkins as the be all and end all on atheist thinking and would totally crawl up his arse and live there if they could because....well.....let's face it......he's the Jesus Substitute isn't he?


fixie wixie foo!

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:lol:
UKRuss wrote:Can you heal a leprad?
whats a leprad?
UKRuss wrote:For me the main difference is that atheism is about not adhering to a code at all, we haven't gone around saying that we are aligned to such and such, whereas the religious do by definition.
Since you used the word "we"....

Instead of going "around saying that we are aligned to such and such"... you go around saying what your NOT aligned with. Seems like it would take longer and accomplishes... the same thing according to you... nothing... (but resentment)

Have fun with that.



P.S. for the record, I think you're right... tax dollars shouldn't be used for the Pope's visit... there's no separation of church and state if they are.
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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by leedsquietman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:53 pm

Faith schools are not divisive in my experience Russ, and remember I attended public and Catholic schools in the U.K. and taught in the Catholic School Board for 8 years and let me tell you we do not teach anything divisive at all. In fact, through the Family Life course, we teach diversity and tolerance of all. Religion (which is a tiny part of what we teach) sticks to the What Would Jesus Do ? and is designed to teach about kindness, love and helping others less fortunate.

The funding issue for transport is odd. When I lived in the UK, no schools got transport from my education authority, we had to take a regular buss to the middle school I attended (public school as the Catholic school was too far away) and pay the same child fares as for taking a bus into the town centre etc. It's a local issue you're mentioning and I don't know the circumstances, so won't comment any further on it, but you could be sure that if that was a public school and they changed the policy, there'd be an outcry about it too. Is the right to protest restricted to atheists ?

Russ, it should be patently obvious by now that I am not a big fan of Pope Benedict himself, but then again, I wasn't a fan of Neil Kinnock or Gordon Brown (or Blair in his second term) but am still pretty much a supporter of The Labour Party politically. Of their manifesto if it listed 30 points, there would probably be at least a few points I would side with the Lib Dems or Tories on.

As for The Pope embracing progression, it doesn't matter so much whether he does or not. What matters is that a huge portion of the people who attend Church and give him a living embraces it, and they are becoming increasingly progressive on the issues. He is a figurehead only. Do we follow the Queen's speech to the letter of the law and would you take direction from the Queen in your personal life and belief systems? Some older people who fear being hanged in the Tower Of London for treason might, but 90% would tell her to stuff her corgis up her butt and go away ! The age of being submissive to a figurehead is something that has lost it's influence since World War 2. However, don't misunderstand me - The current Pope has helped to heal a lot of things and much of what he says and does is good. He stands for a lot more good than bad, but there are things which he is out of touch on and which he holds a minority view on within his own church.

And keep up the protests and the shoe throwing because it might help accelerate change. Just don't label all Catholics under the same umbrella, because while undoubtedly a minority will agree with the Pope on homosexuality, birth control, ordaining women *even many Catholic women, especially older ones, believe he is right on that issue* - as Donnie says even within a religion you can have your own ideas and interpretations and are still an individual who chooses to be part
of a group.
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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by UKRuss » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:46 pm

It has been fun, but as always we're back where we started. On the other hand, it must be aired from time to time.

I am glad to hear you're not a papist...still not quite sure about this new catcholic religion you describe but I'll gladly watch it blossom if it aids with change higher up the, shall we say, more classical catholic ladder.

Leprads rule, btw.

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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by leedsquietman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:56 pm

Leprads definitely rule !

Yeh, I've got no more to say on this, said too much already and bored myself to tears so apologize for using so much bandwidth on the subject.

The worst part about this here on the interwebs as opposed to real life, is that after talking shite for a while, I could have a pint and a packet of crisps with you, which would be ace.
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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by UKRuss » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:00 pm

I would throw shoes at your crisps and I don't drink. But other than that...

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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by leedsquietman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:12 pm

:D

The Communion wine is to blame for my drinking - bloody Catholic Church !
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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by H20nly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:27 pm

UKRuss wrote:Leprads rule, btw.
this.


it just torques.

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Re: Saturday: Come join throwing shoes at the pope.

Post by cosmosuave » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:28 pm

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