I gotta say, using live to further mutilate and compose the stuff I bring in from renoise is sick. If there are any people who are interested, renoise has released a beta demo version for macbook pro that works really well- I'm pushing them to finally release a full version in the backstage area. The two together are perfect. Since renoise is tick based as far as timing goes, live is the perfect solution to work with off timing and to correct issues that arise from using trackers. Kind of indespensible for me (even though tick based timing help keep theings a little bit more human/non-mechanical. There has got to be some tracker heads on here, if so, I think this thread would serve a good purpose for thing like sharing projects or discusing any issues that have to do with both programs.

I like what venetian snares & bogdan raczynski have been doing, nasty breaks at breakneck speeds with ultra-tight timing. Apparently they use trackers to achieve this percussive style. So I'm interested in doing some percussion stuff in a tracker such as renoise, and arranging & re-arranging the resulting wav files in ableton LIVE.

so have you got any tips or useful links for a COMPLETE beginner with the goal of creating evil breakcore ?

Yeah- personally, I'd have to say using a tracker is the fastest way to mutilate breaks. What use to take me 30 minutes or so in cubase takes me about 2-10 in renoise. But I'm not too keen on it for synth work unless they are samples. You should download a demo of renoise. It's fully functional, you just can't render or use asio, but you can save your files you are working so if you ever decide to register (it's like $65) you still havbe all the stuff you were working on before.

ok...
but can you talk me through the sampling possibilities in renoise? or how I might go about writing a breakcore track....when you spoke about doing something in cubase in 30 mins and doing it in renoise in 10, what were you refering to ?

or is it covered in the manual ?

sorry man, I have absolutely no previous knowledge on tracking and the methods used to achieve the wicked breakcore style.

I use a wave editor to actually record and process my breaks (although renoise has a wave editor as well). Something like a drum track that would tack me like 30 minuts in cubase only takes me 5-10 minutes in renoise becuase I have gotten used to the whole computer keyboard (I hardly have to touch a mouse let alone click and drag notes) Instead of cutting and slicing I just enter sample offsets that tell the sample where to strat and stop playing. I have a few breaks that i use quite a bit and have remembered these offsets like the back of my hand so everything goes super fast.

ya I see. Hmm.

not sure if the time spent learning a tracker would be better spent learning max and making your own patch to do the same thing

Yeah, sure. Compairing a learning curve from max and renoise is like compairing cardboard boxes to sky scrapers. Trackers are easy- instead of left to right, you go up and down. You work in 16 base rather than 10 base. Most of your effects will be done via comands as well as regular automation. You would have just as easy of a time of learning trackers along side of max than if you just learned max alone. It goes beyond just using sample offsets and sequencing breaks though, but the principles of one track apply to the rest. But honestly I got to grips with trackers in about two weeks (there is still an assload of stuff left to learn though, but i make sick tracks). Plus you are going to have a hard time building something in max that lets you do all the shit you can do in renoise, I mean come on- it's a whole full flegged prog, not just a one trick pony. Use the two together. Besides renoise is dirt cheap- like 65 usd.

renoise ftw.. Its great and easy to use

Personnaly I use renoise and ableton side to side since 2 months

I've learned how renoise work using their wiki ( http://tutorials.renoise.com/) and the users bases on the forum is pretty helpful.

This little software is a huge beast, the possibilities he hides are awesome and I don't think its a good idea to waste time learning how to build a tracker in max.

I prefer using max for controlling the whole thing using midi

The is a rumor telling that the last album of vsnares ( Cavalcade of Glee and Dadaist Happy Hardcore Pom Poms) was entirely build in renoise.


If its true, Aaron funk is a ninja

hopefully they will add rewire, this will be amazing

how does fruity loops compare to a tracker like renoise?

and could some one jot down a simple step by step on how you would layer a few samples to make a groove in renoise?

almost forgot, is there sample slicing in renoise, not sample offset efx but actual slicing and editing of individual slices?

Excuse my ignorance, but please indulge me here...

In a nutshell, what does Renoise offer me - if anything - that I don't already have in Live 5 + Reason 3 + Audition?

using live and reason and audition I woudl say the only thing renoise offers you is a different style of interface that may or may not be your cup of tea. if the interface works for you you may find yourself creating awesome stuff but it doesn't really offer much else that you can't make with those 3 programs already. so it's just an interface difference.

and personally I tried renoise and I couldn't wrap my head around it. but I've never been into the tracker style.

A different workflow would be the obvious answer.

It's been a bit since I've used a tracker but they're very immediate and lend themselves well to programming percussion by triggering samples.