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actually.....

they said it about live v4 on the forums before they said it in the recent cubase 3 nfo file. and they said it in a forum which i wont disclose here. and on top of that its blantently obvious to anyone who programs that in fact you do suffer for copyright protection. and being a ...

majestic wrote:I think you can assume Steinberg wrote it's timestretch code itself.

ah thats cool, maj, well they did a pretty damn good job then...

well i didnt want to make this a live vs cubase thread. i just for once want to see something on an update patch that says they improved performance significantly on live.

because if you do some research/searching, you'll see how evasive ableton is on performance issues and how its almost taboo to ...

it was from ableton news, and there was a post about it on here a while back. im sure someone will bring it up or link to it eventually.

actually here you go: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12295&highlight=steinberg+warping

so yes, cubase does all the realtime warping live does, and ...

er, you forget that Live is about instant live performance. Cubase is not. There is much more going on under the hood for Live in playback than there is for Cubase.

I understand the desire and need to compare, but the engines for these apps are optimized in different ways for different uses. Go ...

another thing,

live uses challenge response authentication, and it's scripting protection code that's wrapped around just about every other piece of code in live. that means every time you move a fader, play back music, anything...it is constantly checking your hardware and other protective schemes ...

i will say this.

i can open live v5, and keep adding vst intruments and fx and play some midi clip, and soon after ill start getting audio cracks and terrible performace.

i then do the same with cubase and i can put 2-3 times as many vst instruments and fx (same ones in same order) playing the ...

i do love the new custom marker system. thats just standard stuff.

its the other things that bug me, like changing your playback position by selecting a clip. sorry if i wasnt clear on that.

i dont know if this is a new 'feature' in v5, or a bug, but whatever it is, its a bad idea.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24648

i dont know if this is a new 'feature' in v5, or a bug, but whatever it is, its a bad idea.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24648

the worse thing is the way it moves your playstart when you select a clip.

so if you are working on your song at measure 75, and you want to go track by track editing clips from that part of the song, you cant do it. as soon as you select a clip from a track thats been looping since measure 12 ...

i gave it a shot, 2 weeks worth of a shot. but the new way of getting around the arrangement mode in v5 is just unbearable. i swear that half the time i dont know where the hell playback is going to start when i hit the spacebar, and im sure im not alone on this.

can we please look into this, i ...

yeah, im sorry if i didnt come off clear enough. but i meant in arrangment view. the way the play marker and transport work in live 5 just doesnt make much sense from a producers point of view....which is the main thing producers use, the arrangement view....

it is unintuitive and out right ...

another thing,

since there is no more Shift+click to set the play start, what happens im in arrangement view and i want to set the play start at a certain point by clicking, but i cant because clips are taking up the whole track space, so i cant find a little nitch where to click on the tracks to ...

whats the deal with the transport?

seem like nothing that you expect it to do is done.

why is it i set play to start at a certain point, and then clicking on a clip moves my play start to the beginnig of the clip....how dare you move my start point??? who the heck wants their start point ...