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I would say it does, especially if the funder has so much say towards what the movement wants. I extend that position to any cause btw. You do realise that by saying this you are effectively attempting to justify your ad hominem position? Seriously, you're behaving like a right-wing parody of the l...

Real music is mastered on the iPad.

One endless "debate" at a time, my young padawan.

It just works.

LoopStationZebra wrote:Well, when TomV talks about brainwashing and propaganda or whatever it's always from the classic Lefty position that everyone loves Big Government and if you don't you've been brainwashed.

And if something was demonstrably false in my argumentation, then why don't you go ahead and demonstrate that it was?! I just did. You: I could buy, that a lot of Libertarians are debatting radical market based solutions. But doubting the science? Me: "Science", right :roll: Here's an exa...

I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were debating. So far you've made an unsupported (and demonstrably false) claim and said "pur-lease". You must forgive me if I'm not rethinking my whole world view at this point. If you want me to prove to you that global warming skepticism was mainstream wel...

Exactly, if you weren't a tree-hugging hippy, you'd see the folly of your beliefs.

Oh, we have no problem with science, which is why we have such a hard time taking climatologists seriously.

Judeo-Bolshevism. Obviously.

But I also have glasses.

So your position is that some members of the tea party are climate change skeptics because evil money, and that nobody in the tea party was skeptical of climate change before evil money. It's sad how myopic your own ideology has made you.

If you think about it. In just 20 years we have gone from no one being connected to anything, through the PC boom, to almost everyone being connected almost all the time to something. It's been interesting watching all that. Yeah, we are living in the interesting times the Chinese speak of in their...

TomViolenz wrote:The people following it are just being used as pawns.

Right. And which of their positions do you believe have been subverted by all that evil money?

Tom's right Loopy. Before the Koch brothers nobody ever complained about big government, and now, anyone who does is just a victim of their propaganda. /snark Seriously though, the position that the tea party is in some way invalid because it has financing is ludicrous. If you want to attack the mov...