Set Clips to IGNORE Scene Selection

[miekwave]

How do you set specific clips to ignore scene selection and only accept manual clip trigger?

[chapelier fou]

i'm asking these kind of things for years.
Ableton's session's way of working is great. But we need exceptions.
Posted on live9's beta forum today...
Won't upgrade without it i'm afraid.

[Slightlydelic]

How do you set specific clips to ignore scene selection and only accept manual clip trigger?

move the clips you want to trigger manually to outside of the scenes you do want to trigger, and then remove the stop buttons from the empty clip slots.

[miekwave]

How do you set specific clips to ignore scene selection and only accept manual clip trigger?

move the clips you want to trigger manually to outside of the scenes you do want to trigger, and then remove the stop buttons from the empty clip slots.

I want to trigger said Clips using Launchpad on the same rows contained in the scenes


for Example

Scene 1-8
Guitar Input Channel
Clip 1 = Basic electric guitar
Clip 2 = Distortion electric guitar
Clip 3-8 blank

Scene 9-16 would be a different song so it would have
Clip 1 = Basic electronic guitar
Clip 2 = Basic electric guitar with delay
Clip 3 = Distortion electric guitar with delay
Clip 4-8 blank

etc...

I want to trigger Guitar Effect via clip launch on launchpad while at the same time changing scenes column. I want the scenes to change the music but me to manually trigger guitar effects preset, so I don't want scenes to trigger that

[djadonis206]

command + e

[miekwave]

command + e

Please clarify - I have Ctrl,Alt/Shift,Windows,Fn modifier buttons

Ctrl+E Segments clips or tracks in arrangement view - doesn't help me reject scene selection

[Goseba]

command + e

Please clarify - I have Ctrl,Alt/Shift,Windows,Fn modifier buttons

Ctrl+E Segments clips or tracks in arrangement view - doesn't help me reject scene selection

Add/Remove stop buttons in Session View.

ctrl+e on PC.

[miekwave]

command + e

Please clarify - I have Ctrl,Alt/Shift,Windows,Fn modifier buttons

Ctrl+E Segments clips or tracks in arrangement view - doesn't help me reject scene selection

Add/Remove stop buttons in Session View.

ctrl+e on PC.

Ah, I see. I'm not tryng to remove the STOP button (I already did that for some blank slots). I want to insert clips on channels that I do not want "Scene" select to trigger. Those clips must be triggered manually.

[merges]

Removing the stop button in some scenes, and cleverly designing scenes, as described above, is the solution.

[miekwave]

Removing the stop button in some scenes, and cleverly designing scenes, as described above, is the solution.

This works for sequencing patterns and phrases.

This does not work where I want to trigger clips manually. Those clips send FX changes to input tracks.

When using Launch Pad, I would have 8 scenes for a "performance".

A "performance" will have anywhere from 2-4 guitar input presets assigned to trigger clips.

The trigger clips change the guitar sound while the other scenes are playing.

While scenes are playing, I change the guitar sound at will. The scenes should not change the guitar sound.

The reason the Guitar CC clips are on the same row as a "Scene" is because its part of it's performance. Scene 1 would have a Electric guitar part, then later on Scene 1 would have a Distorted Guitar part that is manually triggered.

Matching scene combi's for certain guitar/scene combinations leads to 20+ scenes, however everything I need are contained on 8 scenes.

[chapelier fou]

Hard to explain, but i experience he same kind of issues.
And the reverse one : i'd like some clips to not select the scenes.

[hacktheplanet]

The problem with adding an "Ignore scene launch" option to a clip is what happens if you launch a scene with a regular clip in the same channel as a clip with an ignored clip? The regular clip would launch and stop the ignored clip anyway. Thus the "Ignore scene launch" option would be redundant when we can just remove the stop button.


... if that makes any sense.


edit: nevermind, I didn't understand the issue. I think what you are trying to do is create a channel full of "one shot" clips and launch them conveniently. Instead of using clips, consider putting a drum rack on its own channel, and launch the clips as samples. Take care that they are the right tempo. You'll need a different way to launch them, perhaps a different page on the Launchpad? I do something similar using touchOSC.

[miekwave]

The problem with adding an "Ignore scene launch" option to a clip is what happens if you launch a scene with a regular clip in the same channel as a clip with an ignored clip? The regular clip would launch and stop the ignored clip anyway. Thus the "Ignore scene launch" option would be redundant when we can just remove the stop button.


... if that makes any sense.


edit: nevermind, I didn't understand the issue. I think what you are trying to do is create a channel full of "one shot" clips and launch them conveniently. Instead of using clips, consider putting a drum rack on its own channel, and launch the clips as samples. Take care that they are the right tempo. You'll need a different way to launch them, perhaps a different page on the Launchpad? I do something similar using touchOSC.

Good suggestion however, the clips do not contain midi note data or audio. It purely contains one shot trigger envelopes changing CC modulation for guitar amp presets.

[Goseba]

Good suggestion however, the clips do not contain midi note data or audio. It purely contains one shot trigger envelopes changing CC modulation for guitar amp presets.

Do you trigger these clips to start on a bar for example? (I have an idea I am testing).

[Goseba]

If you are happy to go in to User mode, you could midi map the pads on the Launchpad to the track selector buttons on the tracks that contain the effects.
If the tracks are off by default, then when you hit the pad you activate the track and therefore the effect.