freezing w/sidechain WOES

[dna598]

i know it's been asked for, but for the love of the good lord of pasta in the sky, can we get a solution to this?

Im really tired of that damn "computer says NO" message every time i'm in the swing of things, and need to quickly print that track.

It's like being momentarily taken back to logic platinum 5 again.

I'm sure instead of that stupid NO message, we could choose to "freeze from arrangement?". Thereby Ignoring session view clips and ending this limitation.

[re:dream]

Are you talking about freezing not being allowed when there is input from another track?

How would freeze from arrangement fix that?

[re:dream]

P. S. wouldn't resampling be a way for you to print your track quickly?

[dna598]

Are you talking about freezing not being allowed when there is input from another track?

How would freeze from arrangement fix that?

because Live doesnt know which clip to listen to in that other track (in session view), so it says "no". AFAIK

P. S. wouldn't resampling be a way for you to print your track quickly?

No, hence the woes.

[re:dream]

I am not sure if printing from arrangement would solve the problem. Ableton may argue that input from sidechain may be random, live, etc so it would still be unsure what to do.

What I do in such situations (if I can) is remove sidechaining, freeze the track, group it, stick sidechain on grouped track. Not possible if track already grouped, of course.

[dna598]

The way i see it is, if it can play the track as you hear it from the arrangement, there is no reason why it can't be rendered offline/frozen.

[Idonotlikebroccoli]

Yeah, this limitation seems a bit silly. It's not how you'd expect things to work.

[beats me]

If you are talking House sidechain compression then LFO Tool might be a solution.

https://www.xferrecords.com/products/lfotool

But I realize there are other sidechain scenarios that doesn’t cover.

[Theo Void]

Yes!!!! LFOTooL is pretty awesome. I keep it on a return channel in my default set to send anything to it. It's like parallel side chain compression. (lol, if thats a thing.)

[re:dream]

Yeah, this limitation seems a bit silly. It's not how you'd expect things to work.

Agreed. It is frustrating

[Mr D]

Here's a solution for you:

Example: you have a kick drum ducking a synth. Now you want to freeze said synth, but Live says "No"

Make a group which includes two tracks: the synth and another track that contains the same midi pattern as the real kick track (we'll call this FakeKick). On the FakeKick track put Cableguys Midishaper. Now you can do any amount of sidechaining and still bounce (the group). In fact I would find this solution preferable anyway as it gives much more control of the sidechain envelope and you can sidechain almost any parameter on your synth track.

The downside is that if you want to change your real kick midi pattern, you need to copy that change to the FakeKick track and re-bounce.

[dna598]

Thanks for proposing a workaround, but I'm past all that, personally.