Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

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Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by WilmarBoer » Thu May 06, 2021 4:56 pm

One thing I really hoped for in Ableton 11 is that finally (like every other DAW) Ableton would sent out CC64-0 as soon as stop is hit so that you won't have hanging notes anymore if you stop playback between sustain pedal value changes in the timeline. Logic's chase controller function is one of the best implementations. But just send out CC120 (all sound off) at stop would make my day! PLEASE! Or add a "All sound off on stop" line in the MIDI preferences tab. It can't be that hard.

http://midi.teragonaudio.com/tech/midispec/sndoff.htm

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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by cids » Fri May 07, 2021 3:38 pm

+1
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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by aklisiewicz » Mon May 10, 2021 3:27 am

I have the same problem, although it does not happen often. Once this starts happening I have to close the program completely or sometimes even reboot. I replaced my sustain pedal twice so whatever happens is not related to hardware anymore (or at least very, very unlikely). I also noticed some very wired behavior when tracks are grouped and sub-grouped. There are all kinds of different issues with track volume and sustained sounds. Sometimes I have a track playing some wired sound while there are no midi notes to play.
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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by Piplodocus » Tue May 11, 2021 9:50 pm

I thought pressing stop twice does MIDI panic. (But I could be wrong. Thought I heard that a few years back though, but I don't tend to get stuck notes)

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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by WilmarBoer » Fri May 14, 2021 1:00 pm

Piplodocus wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 9:50 pm
I thought pressing stop twice does MIDI panic. (But I could be wrong. Thought I heard that a few years back though, but I don't tend to get stuck notes)
And takes you back to bar 0. That's not what you want.

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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by jestermgee » Sat May 15, 2021 11:14 pm

I am pretty sure this is by design and not a "bug"

Because Live is, well originally designed for live use, it makes sense to have sustained notes carry on if you happen to press stop in a performance so as not to just abruptly stop. As mentioned, double press on the stop sends the note-off command and should kill any sustained notes but yes, it sends transport to start so this is where you have an understanding of how things work and prepare for this if you are producing and use a marker to quickly jump back to the point you are editing.

An option would be great to be able to have Live "auto sustain after stop" but in 10 years I have never had Live uncontrollably sustain where I couldn't kill the sound unless it was a hiccup in a plugin and usually just disable/re-enable the plugin on the channel fixes that. normally if I get a sustain when in a clip or arrangement when O press stop I place my mouse where the play head is currently, double hit stop on my MCU then click the location to reset play head.

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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by WilmarBoer » Mon May 17, 2021 7:44 am

jestermgee wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:14 pm
I am pretty sure this is by design and not a "bug"

Because Live is, well originally designed for live use, it makes sense to have sustained notes carry on if you happen to press stop in a performance so as not to just abruptly stop. As mentioned, double press on the stop sends the note-off command and should kill any sustained notes but yes, it sends transport to start so this is where you have an understanding of how things work and prepare for this if you are producing and use a marker to quickly jump back to the point you are editing.

An option would be great to be able to have Live "auto sustain after stop" but in 10 years I have never had Live uncontrollably sustain where I couldn't kill the sound unless it was a hiccup in a plugin and usually just disable/re-enable the plugin on the channel fixes that. normally if I get a sustain when in a clip or arrangement when O press stop I place my mouse where the play head is currently, double hit stop on my MCU then click the location to reset play head.
That's what I do at the moment too. It would be nice to have preferences option "Spacebar behaviour" to tweak this according to the environment you're working.

Like in the attached quick photoshop ...

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Re: Ableton 11 but still no fix for sustain pedal causing hanging notes on stop.

Post by aklisiewicz » Wed May 19, 2021 4:13 am

I just opened one of the older projects and while playing get stuck notes. It makes no difference if I play keyboard or I just play a midi clip. Same effect. Hitting STOP button with the mouse usually does the trick to stop it but not always and it is super frustrating !

After some testing I noticed that something gets recorded into the clip. I created a new track, applied same VST, then copied only notes from the bad track into the new one and the problem disappeared. I did it several times on multiple projects so this is kinda workaround but,... come on who is going to do this every time the problem arise.. (?)

ABLETON really needs to address this problem. I deal with this issue since LIVE v5 :-(
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