I can't agree or disagree with the decision to arm Israel, it's not an easy question to answer.b0unce wrote:Israel has been armed & bank-rolled by the U.S.A for a long time - so you might want to consider extending that wish of yours...
Israel isn't going away with or without US support. A larger portion of outside funding from what I can tell comes from private sources. 3-4 billion a year seems like a lot, but it's maybe $3-500 per person in Israel, hardly enough to do much besides cause a recession if we stopped.
I'm going to go off topic a bit here, but stay with me.
The question remains justifiable as to whether or not Israel should have existed in the first place, I think we both agree it shouldn't have, and the problems that has caused should be dealt with fairly, which I think personally it's obvious they aren't being dealt with fairly. This of course has nothing to do with what is in existence today. As it stands Israel exists, and really, short of forced evacuation by the worlds military combined, (I don't see any way to get rid of the orthodox and other fundamentalist jews in the area.) Basically at this point I think it's safe to say it's a moot argument as to whether or not the state of Israel exists or has a right to the land. They're not going anywhere, the west and the middle east should realize that.
What I personally have a problem with is Israel pretending to have the interests of the palestinians in mind, yet systematically driving them from their houses, antagonizing their extremists in the process, and bombing the crap out of them. Very obviously IMO not "for peace" or anti terrorist offensives etc. but for the eventual evacuation of more palestinians from the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Hamas for all it's ugliness (I have no sympathy or love of suicide bombing, it's nasty, and to not condemn it is wrong IMO), have a stated objective, not of jewish annihilation as some here have squawked about, ( Seriously, just stop, it doesn't matter if it's a possibility, it's a theory, not a fact! ), but of returning to the borders of 1967. Not an unrealistic objective in terms of real use. The only way this is a bad idea to the Israeli government is if they think two things: that the borders become too uneven and easy for "terrorism" etc. (which is strange and goofy considering the areas are cause of all their 'troubles'), or if they want to move out all the palestinians they can, and settle the areas eventually. My belief is subconsciously or consciously, it really doesn't matter witch, Israel is set on a path to bomb, displace, and economically cripple the palestinians in the territories, thereby allowing for an eventual end to the 'troubles'.
US foreign policy has been to side with Israel every time, no matter what! In fact I really don't know of any time the USA has made any move to condemn Israel for any actions they ever took in the area? I don't think beyond an off hand statement we ever have? Certainly no formal condemnation, and that's just wrong on so many levels it's not funny. What IMO the US has to do is start actively condemning and threatening sanctions against both Israel for any BS military action they take, and promising real support and alliance with the Gaza strip and West bank if they openly condemn certain practices (suicide bombing, womens rights issues, shari law etc.). This isn't happening, and it's a real first step. At this point, the US more or less considers the palestinians 'terrorists', (at least their government, and any organized resistance to occupation) which is pretty lame.