Thoughts on Max for Live

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Thoughts on Max for Live

Post by timothyallan » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:42 am

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Post by Homebelly » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:52 am

step sequencers..
midi LFO's..
NRPN.
Assignable CC's..
OSC, for those that need it...

I'm assuming it is going to be MAX with out the MSP/Jitter...
I would also guess it will be a new product attached to live.
So a live expanded if ya know what i mean. :? I would not be at all surprised if we see a Live 7.? with the max part as a paid for add on in the same way as sampler/operator.

Personally that would work out just peachy for me.
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Re: Thoughts on Max for Live

Post by mkelly » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:54 am

Gonna have to confess that I'll need to read up a bit more on Max, but it looked like something I (as a software engineer) would be interested in. A modified version for Live is probably going to be enough to get me interested.
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Post by Machinate » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:56 am

well know a helluva lot more in what, 10 hours?

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:59 am

I hope its easier than Max, that looks a headfuck

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Post by Machinate » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:02 am

Meef Chaloin wrote:I hope its easier than Max, that looks a headfuck
Operative word "looks". srsly, max is EASY, and it has like a gazillion tutorials that take you up from the ultra simple "this is a button" stage to hardcore coding.

I can't wait to get stuck in, personally.

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Post by logic_user99 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:04 am

It looks v. eenteresting TBH. If it means I can get out of Reaktor, and start to utilise more of the 'Reaktor-like' features in Live directly, I'll be 'on it' so to speak...

I'm more interested in the APC40 right now, though!
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Post by tjwett » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:12 am

Ableton has the UI thing nailed down cold. Max is very powerful, but fucking UGLY. yeah, crucify me. i know it's cool and i've see people do amazing things with it but it looks gross and is not fun to use, definitely not musical feeling at all. if these two teams of talent can take that power and make it musical, easy on the eyes and intuitive enough to use then i think it can open a whole lot of doors. looking forward to finding out.

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Post by aeon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:12 am

y'all work with computers... what looks so terrifying about Max?

skinned percussion resonance modes are scary. analogue filter emulations in DSP are scary.
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Post by tjwett » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:18 am

aeon wrote:y'all work with computers... what looks so terrifying about Max?

skinned percussion resonance modes are scary. analogue filter emulations in DSP are scary.
not terrifying. just not musical. takes a lot of patching before you have a musically useful device laid out before you. removes you from the right brain state where musical ideas and creativity come from and puts you too far to the left where you're suddenly "working at a computer" for hours on end. if they can make it fast and easy (easy enough, anyway) to create interesting things without leaving Live and music-making mindset then it's a winner.

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Post by emma » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:18 am

tjwett wrote:Ableton has the UI thing nailed down cold. Max is very powerful, but fucking UGLY. yeah, crucify me. i know it's cool and i've see people do amazing things with it but it looks gross and is not fun to use, definitely not musical feeling at all. if these two teams of talent can take that power and make it musical, easy on the eyes and intuitive enough to use then i think it can open a whole lot of doors. looking forward to finding out.
exactly , it should be well integrated into the Live gui - looks like all the other Live instr. , the original Max gui is terrible , really (from a musicians point of view) ... :wink:

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Post by crumhorn » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:23 am

Does this mean we'll be able to drop an instance of operator, sampler, saturator or whatever into a Max patch?
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Post by Machinate » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:26 am

emma wrote:the original Max gui is terrible , really (from a musicians point of view) ... :wink:
I really don't feel that way - I can understand why people might object to v.4.* which is really old, but v5 makes fantastic little GUIs.
not terrifying. just not musical. takes a lot of patching before you have a musically useful device laid out before you.
It takes two to three minutes to build a viable step sequencer in Max.

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Post by tjwett » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:27 am

crumhorn wrote:Does this mean we'll be able to drop an instance of operator, sampler, saturator or whatever into a Max patch?
i think the other way around actually. i'm guessing Max-ish tools for creating native Ableton devices.

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:30 am

i hope it enables live to have folder tracks, a bit like the way Drum Racks work. That would be sexy

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