binaural beats

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:32 pm

buzby wrote:
Emissary wrote:you can actually make binaural beats quite easily if you download audacity. it has a special section for creating such beats. I use them to meditate. makes me feel weird like a floating brain. i like them.
cool man - thanks - onto it

i forgot, you also need the free plugins from this guy.

http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/plug-ins.htm

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:39 pm

thanks splonge - gonna read this now

jj0b · Post by **jj0b** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:47 pm

I've made binaural beats and used them as meditaion tools. I would create different 'beating' frequencies depending on whether I was aiming for alertness, relaxation, deep awareness etc.

Any synth with two sine wave oscillators, or two synths with one sine wave oscillator each should work fine. I have used Absynth in the past but anything will do.

I definitely think that sticking with pure sine waves is the way to get the best results, especially if you are just starting to play with this. If you start mixing beating frequencies you won't know what qualities that you are experiencing are resulting from what frequencies. As far as I know most of the clinical application of this technique uses just a single beating frequency.
(Please correct me if I am wrong on this, I am not an expert)

I think an interesting thing to try would be to slowly, (like over the course of hour or more) to smoothly change the beating frequency. So maybe you start out at an alpha frequency then move down to theta or delta and then alfter spending some time there move up to beta or gamma to end the session. Haven't tried it but I think you could take yourself on quiet a trip.

Also worth mentioning that from what I have read binaural beating really only works with headphones. The reason being that then the beat frequency is actualy being created in your brain, not in the interference of the sine waves in the air. This is a really important and interesting fact. The pulsing frequency you hear when you have a sine wave of different frequency coming in each ear is created in your brain. If you pull one ears headphone off you will hear a pure tone in the remaining headphone, and vis versa. As far as I know it is the actuall creation of the binaural beat in your brain that can effect your state of consciosness and the same result is not found from listening to a beat created by mixing two sine waves in the air.

chevthewizard · Post by **chevthewizard** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Live's automation totally ruined my trip man. Was supposed to be back at 10Hz and suddenly I'm at 3Hz.

lanusse · Post by **lanusse** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:43 pm

djod wrote: @lanusse,

What would a more complex modulation of 1hz+3hz+10+etc bring.
Do you seek out specific results?

laterz

Well, the goal is to attempt to recreate particular 'states' through frequency following. BUT, this is really a very inexact science.

When you connect an EEG to a human subject, you are able to record the electrical impulses created in the brain. Of course the brain is an INCREDIBLY complex device and what the EEG records is only the sum total of signals available and measured at a specific location on the scalp. Think about recording the activity of New York City by holding a microphone a mile above it all and then trying to understand what is going on down below. Bottom line, EEG patterns are the result of very complex processes and a very gross way to measure what is really happening.

Still, by using the principles of frequency following and for some unknown reason we can cause the EEG patterns in the brain to move towards a specific 'state'. By state I mean a specific measurable signal that is composed of very low frequency components. These components generally range from under 1hz to over 50hz - the most important range seems to be 1hz - 20hz.

When you hear someone talking about delta, theta, alpha, beta, gamma in relation to EEG they generally mean that the STRONGEST component is either Delta ( 0.1-3hz), theta (4-8hz), alpha (8-12hz), beta (12hz-36hz), gamma (36hz+) BUT there always exist a mixture of other components at different frequencies..

One of the most interesting books about this is called 'The Awakened Mind' by C Maxwell Cade & Nona Coxhead.. Maxwell and Nona recorded the eeg states of various people with exceptional abilities. In the book they show how each state recorded is a spectrum of low frequency components. Some components are 'louder' then others. In fact, this spectrum looks just like a typical audio spectrum except that it's in much lower frequency range..

So, then, the goal is to recreate specific states that may be normally inaccessible to people who haven't done a lifetime of meditation or other mental practice. But again, it's VERY inexact and works differently on different people..

Still, VERY interesting!

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:15 am

djod wrote:If you want to hear/experience a binural beat you could try is a 400hz sine left and a 410 sine right. use headphones, first put only the left side over your ears, you will hear a constant tone. Then left of right on, you'll hear also a constant tone. Now put both on now you hear the modulation. The modulation is not in the signal. It in your head. If you remove the left of right signal the effect is gone.

Laterz

that's really really cool. just tried it.

I didn't get it earlier in this thread. the thread's entitled binaural but it's really about cymatics (or is it?). I didn't realize until now how cymatics and binaural recordings were linked. I was using monitors, not headphones before, completely missing the connection.

great thread!

jj0b · Post by **jj0b** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:21 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
djod wrote:If you want to hear/experience a binural beat you could try is a 400hz sine left and a 410 sine right. use headphones, first put only the left side over your ears, you will hear a constant tone. Then left of right on, you'll hear also a constant tone. Now put both on now you hear the modulation. The modulation is not in the signal. It in your head. If you remove the left of right signal the effect is gone.

Laterz
that's really really cool. just tried it.

I didn't get it earlier in this thread. the thread's entitled binaural but it's really about cymatics (or is it?). I didn't realize until now how cymatics and binaural recordings were linked. I was using monitors, not headphones before, completely missing the connection.

great thread!

Welcome to bianural beats! It is pretty cool the first time you experience it. Binaural beating or binaural beats is the correct term for this phenomenon.

Cymatics is different. Cymatics generally refers to observing the physical interaction of sound waves in a medium (water, oil, a drum head etc).

Binaural beats has nothing to do with sound waves interfering in a physical medium, it has to do with your brain trying to make sense of two physically seperate sounds being received by each ear. This is why binaural beating can only be truly experienced using headphones.

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:47 pm

hey deft

the thread was aimed at me getting help to create the binaural beats effect in the head -

cymatics and binaural beats are related it seems something im really interested in too - lots of cool stuff on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy2Dg-nc ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFkJFuMAt4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmpMPZCgSvs

its amazing to see what frequency does to liquids - especially when you consider that we are largely made up of water

i met a guy in Australia who had lived with Aboriginal people for many years and he had got into using sound frequency to alter the shape, form and function of cells in the body - his, and other people’s theory, being that cells and organs in the body which were sick were not vibrating at a correct frequency.

He suggested that by introducing a “correct frequency” into cells and organs, they could be assisted in becoming healthy or healthier again

like i said at the start - im hoping to find some material on the pineal gland being sensitive to sound but it seems to be more sensitive to light

without sounding like a complete drug head - dmt, done as respectfully as possible with people who know what they are doing - is a life changing experience - i would love to be abel to re-create this effect with sound

the dmt experience isnt my sole interest in posting this thread though -

im really concious of sounding too santa cruzey after our earlier conversations on the thread

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:49 pm

just found this and about to watch it

some guy giving advice on how to make binaural beats in audacity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPa80QWA ... re=related

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:58 pm

mmmm

there might be a better tuition vid somewhere -

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:59 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
djod wrote:If you want to hear/experience a binural beat you could try is a 400hz sine left and a 410 sine right. use headphones, first put only the left side over your ears, you will hear a constant tone. Then left of right on, you'll hear also a constant tone. Now put both on now you hear the modulation. The modulation is not in the signal. It in your head. If you remove the left of right signal the effect is gone.

Laterz
that's really really cool. just tried it.

I didn't get it earlier in this thread. the thread's entitled binaural but it's really about cymatics (or is it?). I didn't realize until now how cymatics and binaural recordings were linked. I was using monitors, not headphones before, completely missing the connection.

great thread!

Welcome to the darkside.

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:01 pm

buzby wrote:hey deft

the thread was aimed at me getting help to create the binaural beats effect in the head -

cymatics and binaural beats are related it seems something im really interested in too - lots of cool stuff on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy2Dg-nc ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFkJFuMAt4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmpMPZCgSvs

its amazing to see what frequency does to liquids - especially when you consider that we are largely made up of water

i met a guy in Australia who had lived with Aboriginal people for many years and he had got into using sound frequency to alter the shape, form and function of cells in the body - his, and other people’s theory, being that cells and organs in the body which were sick were not vibrating at a correct frequency.

He suggested that by introducing a “correct frequency” into cells and organs, they could be assisted in becoming healthy or healthier again

like i said at the start - im hoping to find some material on the pineal gland being sensitive to sound but it seems to be more sensitive to light

without sounding like a complete drug head - dmt, done as respectfully as possible with people who know what they are doing - is a life changing experience - i would love to be abel to re-create this effect with sound

the dmt experience isnt my sole interest in posting this thread though -

im really concious of sounding too santa cruzey after our earlier conversations on the thread

Have you heard Tool's song thirdeye? Study it.

jj0b · Post by **jj0b** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:10 pm

buzby wrote: the thread was aimed at me getting help to create the binaural beats effect in the head -

Binaural beats by definition can only exist in your head. Beating that is created by interfering sound waves is not binaural beating, it is just beating.

buzby wrote: cymatics and binaural beats are related it seems

As far as I know Cymatics and binaural beats are only related in as much as they both involve sound. Binaural beats is a brain processing phenomenon. Cymatics is the study of waves interfering in a physical medium.

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:36 pm

jj0b wrote:As far as I know Cymatics and binaural beats are only related in as much as they both involve sound. Binaural beats is a brain processing phenomenon. Cymatics is the study of waves interfering in a physical medium.

yeah i think so too - i found a video on youtube entitled binaural sound and cymatics - something like that - maybe they are using the binaural frequencies to make the shapes in the vid

i understand that the binaural beat effect can only be heard in headphones and is an effect generated by the brain making sense of the two separate frequencies

buzby · Post by **buzby** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:46 pm

Moody wrote:Have you heard Tool's song thirdeye? Study it.

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration.

that's dmt right there - when you are on it you see and feel the faster moving harmonics of physical matter - that is how it felt to me

"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom, it´s what it is ok?. Keep that in mind at all times. Thank you!"
-- Bill Hicks

yibs ... drugs used in hedonistic ways though - entheogens used for advancing our knowledge or perception though is a different thing - or at least using them with that intention - does nt mean to say things can go wrong - we are neophytes in the realm of the proper use of entheogens in my opinion