Ableton please give us back our waveform zoom

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live

Does this need to be addressed?

Poll ended at Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:27 am

No, the new way sounds cool.
14
18%
Yes, Being able to quickly navigate waveforms is important to me.
51
65%
Dont care, get out more.
14
18%
 
Total votes: 79

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Ableton please give us back our waveform zoom

Post by condra » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:27 am

Tarekith wrote:No more zoom in the upper half of the waveform. That was like Live's "thing" to me, the one thing that made it so quick to use compared to other apps.......

Especially for Djs that need to warp with precision, it made it very quick to zoom in and out while dropping markers. ......

I'd rather see a preference option for toggling upper waveform for selection or zooming (with the ooposite one possible via shift) versus just dropping zooming altogther.
This seems crazy to me. One of my favourite features of Live has always been the quick and intuitive zooming in the waveform view, with a generously large area to "grab onto" with ones mouse.

What are peoples thoughts on this?

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Post by ground_control » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:36 am

I mean, I can't really comment without trying the new way, but I really do love zooming the waveform, and I use it all the time.

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Post by contakt321 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:41 am

I am with you man, I used that a lot.

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Post by riotschool » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:29 am

Yes, I would like to have the old way in Live 8, too!

I always hated to zoom in Arrangement view and I don´t like to have it like this in clip view. Especially in a live performance situation uncomfortable to handle.

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Post by Johnisfaster » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:55 am

that really sounds like the stupidest change ever!

sounds a bit like the edit button if you ask me.
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It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.

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Post by kenporter » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:02 am

That's not entirely true. Yes, you can't zoom on top of the upper side of the waveform anymore, because now you can actually select stuff in clip view. However, if you just move your mouse slightly above the waveform clip view over the meter bar/time line you can still zoom inside the clip! It's about a centimeter more mouse movement and you're good to go. ;) I love the fact that I can select stuff and have a cursor in clip view...

Ken
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Post by Dj-Grobe » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:03 am

somebody can expalin the new way?

Im not happy with this change..............

Somebody know any url where can see the new way?


Really not happy with this change :x

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Post by kenporter » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:04 am

Dj-Grobe wrote:somebody can expalin the new way?

Im not happy with this change..............

Somebody know any url where can see the new way?


Really not happy with this change :x
I just did! :)

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Post by mr.adl » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:13 am

Yup definitely still works!
Just as kenporter described. :D

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Post by Johnisfaster » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:24 am

according to machinate: "drag zoom is still there you just drag in a different place now"
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.

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Post by Martyn » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:59 am

sorry, i don't get the problem, two minutes mental adjustment and I'm zooming around waveforms as easily as ever.

I just hand warped an old 3/4 acoustic guitar performance that was done without a metronome, and achieved better results in half the time it would have taken using the old warp markers.

The new way is FAR more intuitive, so if the zoom bar has to move upward by a few pixels in order to accomodate this new warping method, thats a small price to pay as far as I'm concerned.

You just have to adapt your technique a tiny bit, it's really not that different.

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Post by chrysalis33rpm » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:09 am

New way seems OK to me from the descriptions.

I just use hotkeys anyway.

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Post by Cryptic UK » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:18 pm

Bring back the edit button.
Drums

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Post by Tarekith » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:57 pm

It's just harder to hit that smaller area now, especially if you're live using a trackpad. I would often zoom in really quick on a waveform to change a loop point, or manually trigger a clip somewhere else. Now I have to hit a MUCH smaller area to do that, especially considering you could have the waveform area expanded before too. I agree,it's a small change, but it makes a huge difference to how you zoom and navigate within a clip. PLease let us select how we want this controlled in the prefs ala:


Image

Sorry so sloppy, you get the idea.

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Post by Bunky Freaks » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:03 pm

great idea tarekith!
i also find the new zoom area way to small for fast working, it's very fiddly. It really slows down the warping process. And I don't think it will get much better "once you get used to it".

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