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OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by gjm » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:10 am

Mmmm, a blend of 3 different strains of influenza, Bird, Human and Swine. It can "swap genes" between all three, and blend again in different ways. A group of students have just returned from Mexico locally, 1 in hospital already and 14 under observation. Got your Tamilflu stocks?
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by gjm » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:40 am

UPDATE: Our Minister of Health has just confirmed on a live TV broadcast that it is HIGHLY LIKELY that these students have the Swine flu (a subset of influenza A). Our country has been moved to a code Yellow Alert, and testing of the swabs will be complete in the next couple of days. I have never seen a Government Minister make this kind of announcement before. 8O
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by rbmonosylabik » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:02 am

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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by gjm » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:19 am

rbmonosylabik wrote:I love how such serious business turns into hilarity around these parts.

http://tinyurl.com/cumbiadelainfluenza

http://tinyurl.com/pincheinfluenza

http://hypem.com/track/808115/Agrupacio ... +influenza
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How long has this been brewing? I don't know if my heads been stuck in the sand or what, but I only heard our National News broadcast this story for the first time today :oops:
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by rbmonosylabik » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:40 am

Well, the story was brewing since wednesday and broke big on thursday night, but for people to be dying already this thing must have been floating around for way longer.

It's scary because the bird flu vaccine doesn't work, so there is no vaccine for it yet, but to be truthful, we really don't know how widespread it really is. Out of the 81 deaths in Mexico from related symptoms, 18 have been confirmed. Still, most events have been cancelled and places where lots of people gather closed down.

It is serious, but maybe not as bad as it's being portrayed. As a friend put it "the government is playing superheroics", with elections right around the corner and all.

I already have my shotgun, my canned food, tons of can openers, and taped reruns of Man vs. Wild ready just in case this turns out to be the zombie apocalypse.
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by gjm » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:48 am

There were pictures all over the news tonight of the (your) army in the streets handing out surgical type masks for people to wear. California, Texas, New York, London England, all with confirmed (??) cases. We will see if we are on that list in the next day or two.

What about toilet paper?
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by rbmonosylabik » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:10 am

AFAIK, the only way to get it is by breath or orally, so as long as you wash your hands properly, wear the mask and avoid contact with people as much as possible, you should be safe. The safest thing to do right now is simply barricade yourself in your own house :P.

Again, it's not clear how widespread it really is, last I heard deaths have stopped in the city, but it's better safe than sorry.
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by ThrowAway » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:51 pm

From what I understand its a lot easier to get these things by getting it on your hand and then rubbing your eyes than getting it orally. If its airborne that really sucks. I wonder why its not in our news in the us? I would assume we have a lot more travel to and fro from mexico.

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Post by LoopStationZebra » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:56 pm

ThrowAway wrote: I wonder why its not in our news in the us?

Because they are too busy running stories on the new Obama puppy dog and what kind of eyeliner Michelle uses?
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by ethios4 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:39 pm

Hopefully the governments of the world will buy up billions of dollars in high-priced antibiotics because of this.... :roll:

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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by gjm » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:01 pm

ThrowAway wrote: I wonder why its not in our news in the us?
8O What? ... The people who are sick here caught their connecting flight out of L.A. Our code Yellow Alert means that ALL of the flights from the US are under investigation. The W.H.O is on alert as well.

We have pretty good stocks of Tamiflu, but that was in response to Bird Flu. Even if the vaccine is not working, hopefully the antibiotics still do.
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Post by Homebelly » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:20 pm

rbmonosylabik wrote:AFAIK, the only way to get it is by breath or orally, so as long as you wash your hands properly, wear the mask and avoid contact with people as much as possible, you should be safe. The safest thing to do right now is simply barricade yourself in your own house :P.

Again, it's not clear how widespread it really is, last I heard deaths have stopped in the city, but it's better safe than sorry.
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by aisling » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:47 pm

gjm wrote:
ThrowAway wrote: I wonder why its not in our news in the us?
8O What? ... The people who are sick here caught their connecting flight out of L.A. Our code Yellow Alert means that ALL of the flights from the US are under investigation. The W.H.O is on alert as well.

We have pretty good stocks of Tamiflu, but that was in response to Bird Flu. Even if the vaccine is not working, hopefully the antibiotics still do.

Antibiotics have no effect on viruses. They can only combat secondary infections from opportunistic microbes that are acquired as a result of the virus. Antibiotics are designed to work on prokaryotic organisms (e-coli, staph, strep, pylori, etc....) only, this is why it is important to have your doctor diagnose your illness before taking random antibiotics, so they don't build up immunity....

The world is quite over populated, we are about due for some shit to get stirred up........hygiene, sanitation, proper nutrition, sleep, sobriety, and stress awareness will be the primary deciding factor for those who are susceptible.

Sadly, and not bring up the "vegetarian" debate (I am not one), the way we treat our animal food sources would indicate something like this was inevitable....
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Re: OT: I've got a cough....Oink!

Post by Kodama » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:11 pm

rbmonosylabik wrote:I love how such serious business turns into hilarity around these parts.
Why not laugh, humanity takes the risk of pathogenic annihilation as joke, just like that ice cap melting or millions dieing of hypertension joke.

Profits from factory farms, now that's serious business, none of this hippie scared of pig flu bullshit!
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Memo From the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency 24 Apr 2009

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