Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
Hi All,
Just fair warning when it comes to Akai. This by an almost lifelong Akai user! (yes, I'm that old)
Here is how Akai hardware is released. I currently own a S5000 and a MPC1000 but have owned many pieces of Akai gear over the years.
Numbers below are estimated and used only as examples.
1. Initial release of the APC 40:
Software: Akai will promise 20 features. 5 will work, 5 will be buggy, 5 will crash the device, 5 will never, ever be delivered.
Hardware: Akai will deliver a shoddy product at first. 25% of users will report no problems, 25% of users will report many problems, 25% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 25% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Akai's Historical reaction: What problems? There are no problems.
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
2. One year later:
Software: Of the 20 Features: 10 will now work, 5 will still be buggy - 1 of the five buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 40% of users will report no problems, 20% of users will report many problems, 20% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 20% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now, even though nothing was ever wrong!
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
3. Two years later:
Software: Of the 20 Features: 13 will now work, 2 will will still be buggy - 1 of the 2 buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 70% of users will report no problems, 10% of users will report many problems, 10% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 10% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Note: At this point Akai will offer an "Upgrade" kit for the people who bought the first release of the product. It's actually just a bug fix. Don't worry though, it will only cost $200.00.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now (again), even though nothing was ever wrong (again)! You should buy the upgrade, it's great.
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
3. Three years later: (no change whatsoever)
Software: Of the 20 Features: 13 will now work, 2 will will still be buggy - 1 of the 2 buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 70% of users will report no problems, 10% of users will report many problems, 10% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 10% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Note: At this point a new APC 40 v.2 will come out. Likely in original Ableton Green. It will have the $200.00 upgrade/ bug fix included. It will be cheaper than the original APC 40.
The Green APC 40 v.2 will still be missing features promised 3 years ago.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now (again), even though nothing was ever wrong (again)! You should buy the upgrade, it's great. And only $200.00 or better yet dump the APC v.1 on ebay and buy the cool new Green one!
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
4. 4 years later:
APC 50 will be released. It will work great. No one will care. Something better has come along. APC 40's will be working fine with 90% percent of all promised features working. The APC 40 v.1 will be considered a classic and demand more money on the used market. One of the "bugs" turns out to be a really cool "feature" that only APC 40 v.1 owners will understand and care about. The APC v.2 can be bought used for $50 but can only be used with Ableton Live 7-10. The APC v.1 has a hacked OS that makes it usable with all versions of Live.
Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Just fair warning when it comes to Akai. This by an almost lifelong Akai user! (yes, I'm that old)
Here is how Akai hardware is released. I currently own a S5000 and a MPC1000 but have owned many pieces of Akai gear over the years.
Numbers below are estimated and used only as examples.
1. Initial release of the APC 40:
Software: Akai will promise 20 features. 5 will work, 5 will be buggy, 5 will crash the device, 5 will never, ever be delivered.
Hardware: Akai will deliver a shoddy product at first. 25% of users will report no problems, 25% of users will report many problems, 25% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 25% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Akai's Historical reaction: What problems? There are no problems.
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
2. One year later:
Software: Of the 20 Features: 10 will now work, 5 will still be buggy - 1 of the five buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 40% of users will report no problems, 20% of users will report many problems, 20% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 20% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now, even though nothing was ever wrong!
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
3. Two years later:
Software: Of the 20 Features: 13 will now work, 2 will will still be buggy - 1 of the 2 buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 70% of users will report no problems, 10% of users will report many problems, 10% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 10% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Note: At this point Akai will offer an "Upgrade" kit for the people who bought the first release of the product. It's actually just a bug fix. Don't worry though, it will only cost $200.00.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now (again), even though nothing was ever wrong (again)! You should buy the upgrade, it's great.
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
3. Three years later: (no change whatsoever)
Software: Of the 20 Features: 13 will now work, 2 will will still be buggy - 1 of the 2 buggy features will be a deal breaker for most users, 5 features promised will not be delivered - ever.
Hardware: 70% of users will report no problems, 10% of users will report many problems, 10% will report the device has broken knobs, sliders etc. 10% will be DOA and won't work out of the box.
Note: At this point a new APC 40 v.2 will come out. Likely in original Ableton Green. It will have the $200.00 upgrade/ bug fix included. It will be cheaper than the original APC 40.
The Green APC 40 v.2 will still be missing features promised 3 years ago.
Akai's historical reaction: Everything is fine now (again), even though nothing was ever wrong (again)! You should buy the upgrade, it's great. And only $200.00 or better yet dump the APC v.1 on ebay and buy the cool new Green one!
Examples: Akai S5000/S6000, MPC 4000, MPC 1000
4. 4 years later:
APC 50 will be released. It will work great. No one will care. Something better has come along. APC 40's will be working fine with 90% percent of all promised features working. The APC 40 v.1 will be considered a classic and demand more money on the used market. One of the "bugs" turns out to be a really cool "feature" that only APC 40 v.1 owners will understand and care about. The APC v.2 can be bought used for $50 but can only be used with Ableton Live 7-10. The APC v.1 has a hacked OS that makes it usable with all versions of Live.
Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
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Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
you forgot one thing; this isn't an Akai, but an Akai-Ableton product..granted wrote: Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Ableton does test it in-house so you can be pretty sure of it to work ok..
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Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
all of those products that you mention were released by a different company.
we all know that Akai Professinal is owned by NUmark now.
it is obvious to me that akai is on the ball in the new millenium.
we all know that Akai Professinal is owned by NUmark now.
it is obvious to me that akai is on the ball in the new millenium.
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Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
You mean like the completely flawless version of Live 8 that is out right now?Poster wrote:you forgot one thing; this isn't an Akai, but an Akai-Ableton product..granted wrote: Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Ableton does test it in-house so you can be pretty sure of it to work ok..
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
I should add that I'll be buying the APC 40 as soon as it's available.
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
So which Akai products do you own and use everday?Rogue Scrunt wrote:all of those products that you mention were released by a different company.
we all know that Akai Professinal is owned by NUmark now.
it is obvious to me that akai is on the ball in the new millenium.
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
Because Numark has such a great reputation for quality products that never break???Rogue Scrunt wrote:all of those products that you mention were released by a different company.
we all know that Akai Professinal is owned by NUmark now.
it is obvious to me that akai is on the ball in the new millenium.
Ass!!!
I hope they aren't using Numark's "high quality" crossfaders in the APC40.
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
thats the one..!beats me wrote:You mean like the completely flawless version of Live 8 that is out right now?Poster wrote:you forgot one thing; this isn't an Akai, but an Akai-Ableton product..granted wrote: Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Ableton does test it in-house so you can be pretty sure of it to work ok..
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
First post here... but hey here's my two cents...
I bought an Akai MPD32 recently.
At first, the firmware was 1.01... the device was working great but It lacked a simple thing: it didn't keep every settings in memory...
So if you turned it off... then plug in on, some global settings were back to default value[annoying for the sync out/in!]
Few weeks later, the firmware 1.03 was out... installed and MPD32 now fully efficient with every settings kept in memory!
Here I am an happy user
I remember the time where I was about 9 or 10, my father had this wonderful sampler in rack by Akai [I can't recall the serie sorry].
He never had to complain about, It worked for long without any problem.
Nobody is perfect
I bought an Akai MPD32 recently.
At first, the firmware was 1.01... the device was working great but It lacked a simple thing: it didn't keep every settings in memory...
So if you turned it off... then plug in on, some global settings were back to default value[annoying for the sync out/in!]
Few weeks later, the firmware 1.03 was out... installed and MPD32 now fully efficient with every settings kept in memory!
Here I am an happy user
I remember the time where I was about 9 or 10, my father had this wonderful sampler in rack by Akai [I can't recall the serie sorry].
He never had to complain about, It worked for long without any problem.
Nobody is perfect
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
IT'S A FRIGGIN' MIDI CONTROLLER... NOT MUCH CAN GO WRONG...
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
uh huh, just like the standardised Apple hardware they use for in-house testing of the OSX version of Live. That's an advantage Ableton have consistently used to their... advantage. Not.Poster wrote:you forgot one thing; this isn't an Akai, but an Akai-Ableton product..granted wrote: Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Ableton does test it in-house so you can be pretty sure of it to work ok..
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Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
OK. I am officially too old to be posting at ableton.comHermanus wrote: I remember the time where I was about 9 or 10, my father had this wonderful sampler in rack by Akai
Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
granted wrote:I should add that I'll be buying the APC 40 as soon as it's available.
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Re: Akai APC 40 - kind of tongue in cheek, but also kind of true
not sure if I agree with that comparison.. for one I have no issues at all on OSX..b0unce wrote:uh huh, just like the standardised Apple hardware they use for in-house testing of the OSX version of Live. That's an advantage Ableton have consistently used to their... advantage. Not.Poster wrote:you forgot one thing; this isn't an Akai, but an Akai-Ableton product..granted wrote: Kind of trollish post but I'm sure other "Akai" users on the board will agree!
Ableton does test it in-house so you can be pretty sure of it to work ok..
anyway.. this thread is just stupid.. the thing isn't even out yet..
and its just a controller not a sampler or mpc and not a solo development by akai..