electric bass midi interface
electric bass midi interface
hi,
i'm considering buying a midi interface (with pickup) for electric bass.
i have seen the roland GI20 and another model by axiom (terratec)
does anyone have experience with this?
is it reliable? what about latency?
i'm considering buying a midi interface (with pickup) for electric bass.
i have seen the roland GI20 and another model by axiom (terratec)
does anyone have experience with this?
is it reliable? what about latency?
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Re: electric bass midi interface
Check this out. New. Seems cool. There's a thread around here somewhere. Mono only.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/G2M
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Re: electric bass midi interface
hey thanks!
that looks interesting
still looking for the differences vs a standard midi pickup with interface
does this one recognize only monophonic notes and a standard midi inteface also chords?
am i right?
that looks interesting
still looking for the differences vs a standard midi pickup with interface
does this one recognize only monophonic notes and a standard midi inteface also chords?
am i right?
Re: electric bass midi interface
I found a Yamaha G50 cheap on ebay.
Tracking isn't great tho, will work for setting frequency on a ring-modulator or something.
Setup of the pickup can be half the battle, slight changes in position relative
to the strings can drastically effect tracking.
Richard Bona on a Roland V-Bass - tracking seems perfect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5JUnCve ... re=related
These Teflon saddle pickups look great, however they told me it wouldn't work with the G50.
http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?CategoryID=2
-Ben
Tracking isn't great tho, will work for setting frequency on a ring-modulator or something.
Setup of the pickup can be half the battle, slight changes in position relative
to the strings can drastically effect tracking.
Richard Bona on a Roland V-Bass - tracking seems perfect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5JUnCve ... re=related
These Teflon saddle pickups look great, however they told me it wouldn't work with the G50.
http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?CategoryID=2
-Ben
Re: electric bass midi interface
monophonic pickups won't work so well with bass..... These devices can work ok on guitar whereLoopStationZebra wrote:Check this out. New. Seems cool. There's a thread around here somewhere. Mono only.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/G2M
the frequency means that the wave peaks pass more regularly and thus it's faster for the software
to time them and figure out the frequency. With bass being so low the software has to be
specifically tuned for bass or wait longer to get an accurate count on the low frequency.
Multi-pickup devices do better but bass is always harder then guitar to midify properly.
15-pin basic MIDI guitar brains are ok but really you need a dedicated bass-synth like V-bass
to get all the best features like after-touch and other parameters.
If you want to play smoothly, fast, naturally, without having to play extra careful, you'll need
to spend big bucks. If you want something that just "works" then you can get away with a split
pickup and a $250 device somewhere off ebay.
-Ben
Re: electric bass midi interface
thank you for the precious information
Re: electric bass midi interface
The Roland V-Bass isn't a MIDI converter. It internally effects the input signal to create its sounds. What you really want for using your bass to control MIDI is an Axon AX-50/100mkII, as they are practically universally considered the fastest guitar-MIDI converters available.
Re: electric bass midi interface
I own one of the Sonnus converters discussed earlier in this thread. So far I have only used it on guitar for which it is very satisfactory. But I think there may be a little lag on the lowest notes.
I am on holiday at the moment but I will give it a try on bass next week when I get back but I suspect it may suffer too much lag.
I am on holiday at the moment but I will give it a try on bass next week when I get back but I suspect it may suffer too much lag.
Re: electric bass midi interface
if you could check this and let me know it would be great!littlepig wrote:I own one of the Sonnus converters discussed earlier in this thread. So far I have only used it on guitar for which it is very satisfactory. But I think there may be a little lag on the lowest notes.
I am on holiday at the moment but I will give it a try on bass next week when I get back but I suspect it may suffer too much lag.
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Problem is the lag gets worse faster the lower it goes.....
20Hz is 20 cycle resolution per second vrs the 10,000 or so cycles to count on a guitar per-second.
It might take the firmware a few cycles to figure out the frequency so at low frequencies latency becomes increasingly noticable (or locks onto higher harmonics).
V-Bass doesn't output MIDI but it is a spilt pickup synth + effect processor.....
-Ben
20Hz is 20 cycle resolution per second vrs the 10,000 or so cycles to count on a guitar per-second.
It might take the firmware a few cycles to figure out the frequency so at low frequencies latency becomes increasingly noticable (or locks onto higher harmonics).
V-Bass doesn't output MIDI but it is a spilt pickup synth + effect processor.....
-Ben
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I just tried this with the bass. I got it to detect the pitch down to D on the A string (hmm, don't know what midi note number that is). Any lower and the pitch it recognised wasn't stable, it jumped around the place. I just got the instructions out and it claims a note detection range of E2 to E6.
As mentioned earlier the lag increases the lower you go. I will scan the instructions and send you them if you like, PM if interested.
As mentioned earlier the lag increases the lower you go. I will scan the instructions and send you them if you like, PM if interested.
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thank you so much for testing
in the meantime i found the manual here
http://www.sonuus.com/downloads/sonuus-G2M-Manual.pdf
would it be a stupid idea to put an audio effect (inverse to the boss octaver) that pushes the sound one octave up, then send the sound to the sonuus box and the midi out to live, where with the midi transpose plugin i could get the right octave back?
it is the only workaround i can imagine...
in the meantime i found the manual here
http://www.sonuus.com/downloads/sonuus-G2M-Manual.pdf
would it be a stupid idea to put an audio effect (inverse to the boss octaver) that pushes the sound one octave up, then send the sound to the sonuus box and the midi out to live, where with the midi transpose plugin i could get the right octave back?
it is the only workaround i can imagine...
Re: electric bass midi interface
I don't think you would have a lot of success with that setup. Any pitch shifting would introduce artefacts into the sound that would cause the pitch detection even more trouble.
From what littlepig says, the Sonuus tracks bass about as well as the mic input on my Roland GI-10. OK in the upper registers, but not at all on the low strings.
Your best bet really is something designed to work well with bass, like the Axons or perhaps the GI-20. You can sometimes see reasonable bundles with MIDI pickups on Ebay.
However, there are a few pitch-to-MIDI VSTs out there. Have your tried those?
From what littlepig says, the Sonuus tracks bass about as well as the mic input on my Roland GI-10. OK in the upper registers, but not at all on the low strings.
Your best bet really is something designed to work well with bass, like the Axons or perhaps the GI-20. You can sometimes see reasonable bundles with MIDI pickups on Ebay.
However, there are a few pitch-to-MIDI VSTs out there. Have your tried those?
Re: electric bass midi interface
Can you name a few of them (preferable ones which offers a demo/trial)?gp23 wrote:However, there are a few pitch-to-MIDI VSTs out there. Have your tried those?
edit: no need for a lmgtfy link :p I found Sinodeia, gonna try this one.
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Re: electric bass midi interface
yeah... i imagined it was not the best solution
thanks for the good tip! will also try this one
http://spyro.mediashift.net/klanglabs/f ... odeia2.htm
looks promising
will try it this week end
thanks for the good tip! will also try this one
http://spyro.mediashift.net/klanglabs/f ... odeia2.htm
looks promising
will try it this week end