Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by zeepster » Mon May 25, 2009 4:32 pm

Thanks for your explanation. I do hope that Abloton finds another way to suppress that possible click/pop. Maybe just apply it to vsti's and not wav tracks..

For clarification, am i correct to asume that in Live 7 there isn't a the fade when playback starts?

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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by Amaury » Mon May 25, 2009 4:47 pm

peez wrote:Thanks for your explanation. I do hope that Abloton finds another way to suppress that possible click/pop. Maybe just apply it to vsti's and not wav tracks..

For clarification, am i correct to asume that in Live 7 there isn't a the fade when playback starts?
Hi,

No, you are not correct in that assumption. There is exactly the same emergency fade at playback start in Live 7 as in Live 8.

Concerning your suggestion: the problem is with audio files, not plugins. A plugin can't start a note "in the middle", it will always play a note ON, or nothing, on playback start.

An audio file though, may be started "in the middle of the clip". thus where the waveform is not at a 0 crossing, and then produce a loud or less loud pop on playback start.

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Amaury
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by Pyramid Audio » Mon May 25, 2009 4:54 pm

Dont cut them so close. Give the transients room to breathe. There is sound before the transient in most cases, which adds to the impact of the drum hit.

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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by 3dot... » Mon May 25, 2009 5:21 pm

the sooner this is fixed the better...
because this bug really keeps you on your toes...
I actually can't use 8.0.3... because something's up with the GUI...
(reported)
when's 8.0.4 ?
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 25, 2009 6:07 pm

3dot... wrote:the sooner this is fixed the better...
because this bug really keeps you on your toes...
I actually can't use 8.0.3... because something's up with the GUI...
(reported)
when's 8.0.4 ?
:o
3dot you're kinda misguiding people into thinking they're experiencing something they're not. can you help clear the air?

it's a good find but seriously... take a step back and look at the response.
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by 3dot... » Mon May 25, 2009 6:44 pm

Tone Deft wrote:...
thanks...doing my best..

btw take a step back and look at your post... now who's stinking up the forum ?

don't ever escalate matters by using strong typed large red letters ...ya hear?
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 25, 2009 6:50 pm

:lol:

"don't ever..." I read that as "keep doing it..."


I'm reading some of the new posts from people with this 'same problem' and it's a tangled web, can you help address some of the concerns? it's my Libra nature to do siht like this, or so I've been told.
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by 3dot... » Mon May 25, 2009 7:26 pm

cool sig though... 8)
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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by bigben54 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:29 am

Okay... bump

Did 8.0.4 fix this bug? I understand it to be that there is fade application on rendered wavs that did not have a fade enabled.

I'm also seeing what I think is a bug with opening version 7 files in 8.0.4 and having the short auto fade automatically applied to ALL audio clips! I do of course have the fade preference off.

I can reset all the envelopes to fix it, as it's a non destructive fade (unless you render it of course), but it seems like big oversight..?

Amaury perhaps you can shed some light? Should I submit a report?

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Re: Is Ableton Killing your Transients? It's killing mine...

Post by Amaury » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:50 am

bigben54 wrote:Okay... bump

Did 8.0.4 fix this bug? I understand it to be that there is fade application on rendered wavs that did not have a fade enabled.

I'm also seeing what I think is a bug with opening version 7 files in 8.0.4 and having the short auto fade automatically applied to ALL audio clips! I do of course have the fade preference off.

I can reset all the envelopes to fix it, as it's a non destructive fade (unless you render it of course), but it seems like big oversight..?

Amaury perhaps you can shed some light? Should I submit a report?
Hi,

The bug that printed unwanted fades in consolidated and rendered files is indeed fixed in 8.0.4. From what you describe, I guess that the files you open in Live, or Live set, have been saved with the Fade button ON, in Live 7, which translates in a short fade when opened in Live 8. Wouldn't it be the case? Weren't the files in question used in Live 7?

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Amaury
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