Grooves and delays

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Grappadura
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Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:39 pm

Hey, just noticed that when I use lives grooves, applied delays sound out of time. I tried recording the outcome of the returns and put the groove on that, but for some reason this didn´t seem to help. How do you do it?

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by MathematiK I » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:45 pm

I guess you should adjust the delays 'sync' paramter on groovy clips...
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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:46 pm

will it not be even more all over the place?

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Robert Henke » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:11 pm

There is a systematic problem with delays and grooves in general:

The groove is created by slightly shifting parts of a beat away from a straight quantization, and you do this differently for different parts of a bar.
If you apply a delay, you move those shifted parts to other locations within the beat. Only in a totally straight groove this works perfectly well, in a groove, you'll end up with a mess very often.

Since the delay has no idea about what it delays, there is no way that it can be intelligent enough to compensate for that. Especially not if you also consider things like feedback....

Robert

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:27 pm

thx robert, but why wasnt my tecnique working, to record the outcome of the delay in a return and then apply the groove to that? Hm should work shouldn´t it? I´ll try again.

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Robert Henke » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:40 pm

No, you are right. Re-recording and applying groove afterwards should work. I never tried it, I am allergic against warping ... Will check it out later...

Robert

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:51 pm

thx robert. I must confess I was to lazy to think, thats why I asked (3 days of non stop mixing a 4 bar loop takes its toll)

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by dcease » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:55 pm

Grappadura wrote:thx robert. I must confess I was to lazy to think, thats why I asked (3 days of non stop mixing a 4 bar loop takes its toll)
owe knoes! the 3 hour loop monster grows larger!?! 8O
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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:58 pm

it is only the beginning... muahahahahaa

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:47 pm

Robert Henke wrote:No, you are right. Re-recording and applying groove afterwards should work. I never tried it, I am allergic against warping ... Will check it out later...

Robert
ok I will be shameless and give you an advise: warping in the repitch mode causes usually no artifacts, so if its percussive material or some weird thing, it actually may ad interest and organical feeling when the groove makes the pitch shift.

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:10 am

they used to call me master swing

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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Jekblad » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:16 am

wow you give Robert Henke advice? you must be rich and famous and also the smartest man alive.

high five!
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Re: Grooves and delays

Post by Grappadura » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:39 am

it felt like blasphemy but I just had to do that ;P

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