about Choke Group in a Drum Rack? Impulse vs Simpler

[Alextronica]

Hey Y'all

I'm finally got my Samples in order

Im currently trying to build some complex Hi Hats

I'm having trouble with Choke Group in a drum Rack

I put Samples in a drum rack, I'm making them with Simplers and Impulses.

So I'm finding that Simplers acts like I cant turn the choke group off and Impulse the opposite, Choke groups dont work.

Anybody else find this or is my Choke Group Broke

Im on Live 7

Thanks in advance.

[Alextronica]

bump?

Anybody got any tricks to using choke groups in a drum rack?

[Alextronica]

Bump Anybody?

[jamester]

How exactly are you using Impulse in the Drum Racks? First slot only, right?

I've never had a problem with the choke groups using Simpler...

[Alextronica]

Yeah thats exactly how I'm using Impulse

Anybody got any tips on how or why you use one or the other in a drum rack?

I'm getting hung up on differences

I found Simplers are much loader but the two can be equaled out in Volume and the difference isn't that noticeable.

The Sound you get between the two is different in how they deal with a choke group and has alot to do with setting the Decay and Release (in Simpler)

Is that about it or are there differences in Stereo Output (I couldnt really tell)

Do any of you guys use both to create Audio Loops of your drums? say Hi Hats?

[emef]

i stuck some impulse's in a drum rack and the chokes definitely dont work
kinda ironic for a drum unit
i stuck some operators in there and they cut off the impulse's but not the other way round
simpler chokes work fine

it'd be nice to use impulse in drumracks cos of the nice stretch/time/transpose
but without chokes its a bit annoying
can't remember the last time i came across software drum machine with no chokes

[Alextronica]

Yeah It would be nice

So i've been trying but do you think its a bug in 7 or do the Choke Groups just dont work in this situation.

I think I'll have to use mostly Simplers

I'm debating going back to Battery just for Hi Hats

Maybe the key is incorporate all of them.

Its gonna be a bunch more work. mmm

[jamester]

What exactly is the problem you're having with using Simpler for hats?

Also, are you aware that you can configure Simpler exactly how you want it set up (volume, decay/release etc) and then make that a default for the Drum Rack?

[Trypset]

yo.

my setup =

Drumrack with Impulse in each cell.

Directly before the Impulse in each cell place a chord plug (Midi effects), fiddle with the settings and you can get the one incoming midi note to trigger multiple slots in impulse.

Perfect for layering hits!!!!!!

hope this is enjoyed

[Alextronica]

Hey Jamester

I'm having problem with the Simpler that Choke Groups dont turn off and Impulses dont seem to work.

and Trypset I not sure what you mean?

do you load fill each impulse in the drum rack

does that make a thicker hi hat sound?

I pretty happy with my Samples but I just hate the choke group in the drum rack, it doesn't seem to do anything

Like I said above, in a Drum Rack....

Simpler = choke group don't turn off
Impulse = choke group don't turn on

I'd love some input on how you use choke group with Impulse (or Simpler) in a drum rack.

[Trypset]

i mean

Drum rack

each cell of drumrack drag and drop a sampler

Now you have a drum rack with impulses in the cells instead of simplers.

In front of the impulse place a MIDI chord plug in.

This chord will intercept one imcoming midi note and make it into a chord.

Fiddle the setting until instead of just one impulse cell hitting, multiple will hit.

[Alextronica]

Trypset

Yeah thats what I thought you meant

I do the same with an Instrument rack and one sample per instance of Impulse

Different way but same result anyway

Do you use Choke Groups?

And do they work for you?

[jamester]

Hey Jamester

I'm having problem with the Simpler that Choke Groups dont turn off and Impulses dont seem to work.

Ok disregard Impulse for the moment as that's it's own special case, since Drum Racks are not designed to be used with them. (Yes there are workarounds for this, as has been noted, but those are workarounds)

So you are saying that if you have two hat samples (open and closed) and you assign them both to the same Choke Group in the Drum Rack (again, using Simplers) that the closed hat won't cut the open one? If so, I have to think something's wrong on the user end (no offense), but this has always worked perfectly in Live 7, not just for me I'm sure, or else it would have been a very big deal a long time ago.

The more specific you can be the better we can work to figure it out. You're saying "don't turn off/don't turn on", but I'm not sure what you mean by that...

[Alextronica]

Yeah Sorry If Im not being specific enough

I'm finding that Simplers dont require me to set a choke group to choke. Simplers just do it automatic.

ie I load two Samples (one "Open" and one "Closed") in Drum Racks using Simplers.

Now I've not set the Choke. It reads "None"

Now I find that If I do a "Command" Drag (I'm on Mac) to move the MIDI without being snapped to the grid

When ever I drag the "Closed" MIDI note closer to the beginning of the "Open" it acts as if I'd set the Choke Group which is set to "NONE"

So...... Choke group for Simpler doesnt work cause I can't set it to "NONE"

Now if I do All the same except use Impulses instead of Simpler (One Sample per Impulse in the furthest Left most spot.)

Now there is no difference in the sound regardless of the Choke Group setting

I set the choke group for both "Open" and "Closed" to 16 and there is No difference than if I set the Choke Group to "NONE"

I hope this clears it up.

Simplers= always choke
Impulse = Dont Choke

This cant be right? Im also trying to go back to Battery but my Computer really doesn't like that as a Plug In in Live.

Emef - confirmed that Impulses in a Drum Rack doesn't allow Choking so I think its NOT a bug

I think I'm gonna just build a Drum Rack with Simplers and a second identical but with Impulses and use which ever is best to get the sound I require.

Thanks for giving me a hand Jamester. I cant wait to make some music instead of learning programs.

[roby]

I'm gonna have to bump this thread because I'm having the exact same issue, but with different instruments. Here's what's up:

I have a Drum Rack, and in it I have one Operator in cell C1 and another in D1. Both Operator produce distinct sounds with long release (in my case I'm the "Polar Pad" and "Square Sweep" presets). I assigned C1 and D1 to Choke Group 1. When I play C1 ("Polar Pad") and the D1 ("Square Sweep"), D1 does not choke C1. When I play D1 and then C1, C1 chokes D1. In fact, it doesn't matter in which cell "Polar Pad" resides, C1 A1, whatever, same as "Square Sweep". The fact is that "Polar Pad" chokes "Square Sweep", but not the other way around.

Now, if I load Simplers or Samplers in the Drum Rack, the choke group assignments work, but if I load an Instrument Rack that has a Simpler and an Operator, then I may encounter this problem.

Seems to me that Drum Racks are only meant to be used with Simplers and Samplers, which, if true, is a real bummer.