OT: We The People

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Tone Deft
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Re: OT: We The People

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:33 pm

GrooveNinja wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: if you're a racist, there's a very very good chance you're a Republican. the GOP needs to clean house and stand up. they've had CLEAR racists in power for decades, omfg do you pay attention?
Robert Byrd? Bobby Rush? Get a clue.
good boy, you can google "racist democrat" have a cookie.
my point was... IF YOU'RE A RACIST YOU'RE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE REPUBLICAN. racist values fall under the GOP side of the fence.
Tone Deft wrote: it's hard to believe posters can't define liberal vs. conservative.

liberal
- government control over privatization
- regulated markets
- the government has a responsibility to take care of people
- against defense spending
- pro choice
- against death penalty
- for gun control
- protect the environment
- raise taxes
- considerate intelligent people
What is considerate or intelligent about any of this? Liberals seem to always be the first to start name calling when confronted with facts and reason. They just start calling their perceived opponent racist or fascist. That's not very considerate. Anyways, what you described is also called communism. Well, most of it. Communism doesn't work, dude. It's been proven quite a few times over the past century. The only things that it has accomplished is the murder of a hundred-million plus people, and forcing a billion others into a pathetic standard of living. The communists in America realized that they wouldn't get anywhere calling themselves communists, so they call themselves liberals instead.
no man, those are pretty textbook definitions of conservatives and liberals.

the part in bold above is a hypocritical personal attack.

your leap from liberal to communist is hilarious, thanks for that.
By the way, doesn't is seem a bit inconsistent to be pro-choice and against the death penalty? Just a thought...
LOL!!! I'd rather be that than be anti-abortion and pro death penalty. you fall under the same umbrella you're accusing me of. :roll:

nice post ninja!! :lol:
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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:33 pm

starving student wrote:
GrooveNinja wrote:
starving student wrote:^^ theres nothing wrong with what conservatives want for themselves, the problem is that they only want it for themselves.
Huh? That statement simply doesn't make sense.
what does C street want for itself but not for others
what do insurance companies want for themselves but not for others
what do corporations want for themselves but not for others
A riddle? Hmmm... a banana?

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:34 pm

starving student wrote:when conservatives make fun of Liberals they make fun of the fact that liberals want to stabalize the environment, what's funny about that?

they make fun of the fact that liberals are inclusive, what's so funny about that?

Liberals disagree with conservatives on abortion but you don't hear liberals making fun of abortions do you?

make a list of all the things you think a liberal is from a conservatives perspective and then tell me what's bad about any of them,
the hits keep on coming.

compared to this I welcome your views ninja, go easy on the guy. ;)
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Re: OT: We The People

Post by starving student » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:41 pm

so if you want to save the child in the womb why would you want to hang a child outside of the womb out to dry?
who leads the way in cutting any and every program out to help a child, when things get tough throw the kids under the bus and the dems aren't doing so well on this either but the question is who has lead the way in destroying things like art for kids

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:42 pm

Tone Deft wrote: your leap from liberal to communist is hilarious, thanks for that.
Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It clearly outlines a strategy for implementing communism, and it rather resembles the liberal platform that you outlined.

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by starving student » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:43 pm

no need to go easy on me as you can see none of my questions have been answered, lots of distractions going on though,no worries though we simpletons are very patient.

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by starving student » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:45 pm

GrooveNinja wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: your leap from liberal to communist is hilarious, thanks for that.
Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It clearly outlines a strategy for implementing communism, and it rather resembles the liberal platform that you outlined.
your own perception is working against you, if it said eat your breakfast and wash your butt in the manifesto would you call that communist as well?

how about putting down the manifesto and picking up the common sense

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:46 pm

Tone Deft wrote: the part in bold above is a hypocritical personal attack.
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By the way, I was not personally attacking you. I was commenting on the liberal platform that you outlined.

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:48 pm

starving student wrote:
GrooveNinja wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: your leap from liberal to communist is hilarious, thanks for that.
Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It clearly outlines a strategy for implementing communism, and it rather resembles the liberal platform that you outlined.
your own perception is working against you, if it said eat your breakfast and wash your butt in the manifesto would you call that communist as well?

how about putting down the manifesto and picking up the common sense
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by hurlingdervish » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:53 pm

Fun Fact:

That list was copied and pasted from a blog!

The more you know!

:lol:

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:56 pm

Tone Deft wrote: LOL!!! I'd rather be that than be anti-abortion and pro death penalty. you fall under the same umbrella you're accusing me of. :roll:

nice post ninja!! :lol:
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I don't support the death penalty, either. But it is a punishment for a presumably deserving person, which seems a bit different from an abortion.

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by GrooveNinja » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:57 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:Fun Fact:

That list was copied and pasted from a blog!

The more you know!

:lol:
Wake up.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/class ... festo.html

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by starving student » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:00 pm

that's alright, look let me put it like this, derogatory names for liberals and conservatives are 'bleeding heart liberals' and 'conservative racist' now I've never called anyone a racist for being a conservative cause it's stupid of course but I know why that term exist and can articulate why it does, can you tell me what is so bad to conservatives about being a 'bleeding heart' ?

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Re: OT: We The People

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:01 pm

GrooveNinja wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: your leap from liberal to communist is hilarious, thanks for that.
Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It clearly outlines a strategy for implementing communism, and it rather resembles the liberal platform that you outlined.
haven't read it, I prefer music over politics.

if what I posted is like communism, then I'm fine with that much of communism. if you want to take the debate to say that liberalism is bad because communism is bad, that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I haven't read enough to confront that issue.


re: your next post about personal attack, no offense taken whatsoever, I hope my reply wasn't too crappy. politics on teh interweb, tough discussions.

good luck with the liberal music forum. ;)

/slowly backs away from the OT political thread.
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Re: OT: We The People

Post by starving student » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:04 pm

don't shit and run Td it's always good to have whats in between the inbetween around for imput

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