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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:50 pm 

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u r welcome man. thank 'you' for this great script.

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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:22 pm 

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Ahhhh! Ive no idea what you guys are saying but Im excited!

So Emerah has a theory how to achieve the fast forward/rewind thing...? That would be amazing! Thanks Emerah!

Hopefully you can figure it out wiffbi! I spent last night setting up the commands on my korg nano. Piece of cake! Definitely the most fully functioning script Ive tried.


Just so you know - I think theres one function in the settings that isnt on your midi implementation table - "toggle track collapsed" - for disclosing group tracks.
Also - toggle track fold works much better as a note than a cc.




The current scrub tick size is at its default value - I think 4.




With STOP control - the problem is that all the stop functions available in the script are bi-functional. You cant "repeat" hit stop, as clicking it again will only start it playing again.

Unless Im missing a basic, single function stop command in the settings?

It seems to work in other scripts - how they achieve it I wouldnt know. Namely nanoKontrol Myr.

In Ableton, one click of STOP results in transport pausing, 2 clicks the transport returns to 1.1.1 and 3 clicks is the panic function.




Is there a way to map the master volume in this script?





Again - the script is brilliant - I thought initially I might have had to combine this script with another to get full functionality but this script goes above and beyond with how much I thought you could achieve with just a controller. And with alot less buttons than other scripts. Thanks for taking the time to reply! Ill have to post my script mod for the nano kontrol and the midi template for people here, once I settle on the layout.


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:58 pm 

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in Live you can access the playback function using the property "is_playing". this is a toggle, 1 = Live is running, click again and the value toggles to 0 which is equal to stop. this is what STC uses for transport.

you can also use the property "start_playing" and this sends a value of 1 always. click again and it starts playing again from the start. in this case you have to use the property "stop_playing" to stop play back. this property resets playback position to 0 when clicked again.

to emulate the Panic "start_playing" and "stop_playing" must be used.


hope this helps.

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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:32 am 

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First, thank you very much for the script, really helps me!

Followed by my first question (and please forgive me if it has been asked before):
Is it possible to open a selected device? That is one of the most important things to me. Still using it with Kimidi, setting up my controller in the next weeks.

Cheers,


Chris


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:05 pm 

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chris-rg wrote:
First, thank you very much for the script, really helps me!

Followed by my first question (and please forgive me if it has been asked before):
Is it possible to open a selected device? That is one of the most important things to me. Still using it with Kimidi, setting up my controller in the next weeks.

Cheers,


Chris


How do you mean open a selected device? You mean opening a vst/au gui?


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:57 pm 

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I think he means unfolding e.g. a chain? I could not find such functionality in the API, but maybe someone knows more ...


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:07 am 

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@moonpie: I updated to STC 1.2.8 and fixed the scrub/rewind bug as well as added dedicated commands for stop, play and continue playing:

Note 27 (D#0) stop playing
Note 28 (E0) start playing
Note 29 (F0) continue playing

I have not yet managed to get the continuous scrolling working, but I have put it on the TODO list.

Download as usual here: http://stc.wiffbi.com/

Cheers,
Richard


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:40 pm 

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wiffbi wrote:
@moonpie: I updated to STC 1.2.8 and fixed the scrub/rewind bug as well as added dedicated commands for stop, play and continue playing:

Note 27 (D#0) stop playing
Note 28 (E0) start playing
Note 29 (F0) continue playing

I have not yet managed to get the continuous scrolling working, but I have put it on the TODO list.

Download as usual here: http://stc.wiffbi.com/

Cheers,
Richard



Thats Brilliant, thanks Richard! Ill check it out now. Sent a small donation your way, sorry it couldnt be more. Youre doing excellent work. Kimidi is amazing as well!


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:48 pm 

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Meant to say - Did you catch the missing "unfold group" that isnt in your midi implementation list (but youve programmed)? Definitely one of my favourite commands.

Also - one thing I noticed using navigate tracks - Ableton 8.2.8 wouldnt "scroll" with the selected track. Meaning, as you flick through tracks, if you have tracks outside of the display window, ableton would select them but not focus on them. This issue is fixed in 8.3.4.


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:01 pm 

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moonpie wrote:
Meant to say - Did you catch the missing "unfold group" that isnt in your midi implementation list (but youve programmed)? Definitely one of my favourite commands.

Also - one thing I noticed using navigate tracks - Ableton 8.2.8 wouldnt "scroll" with the selected track. Meaning, as you flick through tracks, if you have tracks outside of the display window, ableton would select them but not focus on them. This issue is fixed in 8.3.4.


Hey, do you mean the shortcut "CC 73 (rel2comp) fold/unfold track/group ctrl+shift+UP / ctrl+shift+DOWN"? It was named "fold/unfold track", but I added the "group" just recently. It is listed under "Mixer Control" …

Thanks for pointing out the scrolling issue in Live 8.2.x!


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:23 pm 

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wiffbi wrote:
moonpie wrote:
Meant to say - Did you catch the missing "unfold group" that isnt in your midi implementation list (but youve programmed)? Definitely one of my favourite commands.

Also - one thing I noticed using navigate tracks - Ableton 8.2.8 wouldnt "scroll" with the selected track. Meaning, as you flick through tracks, if you have tracks outside of the display window, ableton would select them but not focus on them. This issue is fixed in 8.3.4.


Hey, do you mean the shortcut "CC 73 (rel2comp) fold/unfold track/group ctrl+shift+UP / ctrl+shift+DOWN"? It was named "fold/unfold track", but I added the "group" just recently. It is listed under "Mixer Control" …

Thanks for pointing out the scrolling issue in Live 8.2.x!



Oh, actually - Ive totally got the details wrong, and now realise the initial prob I had with CC 73 (fold unfold track).

Initially, when I started using the script -
CC73 mapped as a button on my korg nanokontrol set as either momentary or toggle had no effect.

I then changed the value to a note and it completely solved the issue.



I realize now that the CC value wasnt absolute, or a note, and didnt have absolute alternatives written in. (which now that Im familiar with settings.py I understand!)

So! - everything works perfectly - :oops: - but for a 1st time user, that threw me a bit.

Somehow I then mixed up whether it was actually in the midi implementation chart.


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:36 am 

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Hi

I am trying to set up STC with my novation remote sl but I am having trouble with sending relative midi-data. The tempo control for example will work fine when I turn the encoder right but will jump to a random low value as soon as I turn the knob left.
Also, what I found strange is that I had to configure the encoders as something called "Apot" to work in the above mentioned way (works in at least one direction). Set to "Rel2" will make the track selection for example jump between the first and last track or change the tempo randomly...

I've also tried it with a novation zero sl, with and without automap software and the same thing happens.
I've also tried a maschine controller in midi-mode and that worked fine...

Any ideas why the remote SL doesn't work?

Great Software btw!!
Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:46 pm 

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@Flobo 3000: It seems, that the Remote SL sends its relative MIDI CC in a different encoding. Can you try and manually map one of the encoders in Live’s MIDI mapping mode to e.g. the pan-knob in mixer and see, what Live says in the lower left corner when you rotate the encoder while in MIDI map mode?

Regarding track selection: do you use CC #85 or #11? Because reading your comments on the behaviour, it seems you send CC #11 in rel2comp-encoding. STC expects CC #11 to be absolute encoding and tries to map the MIDI CC range of 0-127 onto the range of all tracks. So when you rotate your encoder with rel2comp, it sends a value of 1 when turned right and a value of 127 when turned left. In absolute encoding this then means select first track or select last track accordingly. Just to make sure you send the right MIDI CC #. MIDI CC #85 is the one you want, if you use rel2comp encoding. It might be the same for tempo also – because in absolute mode, it will jump from 60 to 187 if you use CC #20 (absolute) instead of CC #86 (rel2comp).

I hope this helps.
Richard


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:17 pm 

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Thanks for the reply - I will check what message the encoder sends but I am away from my computer for a few days - I will post it as soon as I can

I am pretty sure that I mapped the encoder to CC 85 but I will check that as well...


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 Post subject: Re: Control selected track \w keyboard shortcuts
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:15 am 

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@wiffbi - huge thanks for developing this! Have downloaded, installed, and am beginning to try it.

Question. Is there a mechanism to enable/disable send N of the selected track?

Disabling unused sends can sometimes allow Live to utilize more cpu cores, which I do with higher track and return counts. Using a page of the Killamix mini knobs for send amount and buttons for enable/disable would be great.

I've reviewed the STC python code, and Live API discussions, but I've not found a way yet.

Thanks!


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