Anyone like the band Tool???

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live
logic_user99
Posts: 1965
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:58 pm
Location: Nottingham, UK

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by logic_user99 » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:40 am

Tool are the grand masters of their genre; serious music, boys and girls. Saw them a couple of times a few years back, and was blown away. Danny Carey has been a MASSIVE influence on my playing.

Track-wise, my faves are 'Aenima', 'Lateralus', Rosetta Stoned', and 'Sober'.

And what's up with that link? Something about joggers getting slayed in a par? Sheesh..
Macbook | Live 7.0.18 |

Tone Deft
Posts: 23778
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:19 pm
Location: SF, CA

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by Tone Deft » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:30 pm

I can't tell how many druqs this guy was on, if he's a genius or just insane but an interesting read for Tool fans.
http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm
To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as a holy gift..." At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid - discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my interpretation to something broader: think deeper. Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs - something about two spirals. Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle." After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out, and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'. I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer, who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time, I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism. I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks & Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite good when played sequentially on the album. This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the previous release, Ænema. For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad, and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going." I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1. This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell you what this new order has opened up for me. The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons), it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift". As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than just his simple cautioning. Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song has a specific translation. On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is hidden contextually. I will elude to Geometric-Drumming's previous post, where he explains the time signatures of Schism: "It represents the title...it's arranged in 12/8 time which is SPLIT into 5/8 and 7/8 - which only really FITS as you PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER." Where Geometric-Drumming claims Schism as his favorite Tool song, I have heard some fans say that it was a retched pick for the album's only single - but I think it was brilliant. Not to downplay the interpretations of those who have posted before me (in fact, I agree with much of what %BlueSoulRobot% has to say), but I think that to the casual listener who knows nothing of Tool, it can be a powerful invitation. Think about it - a lot of dingbats with MTV and a radio would walk around with the words "I know the pieces fit" in their heads. I wonder how many of them took the time to put the pieces back together to (re)discover what is trying to be communicated. I welcome any feedback. I would love to share interpretations of the songs via email - just too lengthy to post here. I would like to offer the following advice: DO NOT use MP3s to digitally reorder Lateralus. A lot of VERY IMPORTANT information is encoded on the actual cd. Ever notice how everyone who has lost or broken that cd has IMMEDIATELY gone out and bought a new copy? I know I have. It's because there are things encoded on the factory pressing of the cd that are lost in the mp3 compression process and any direct copy onto a cd-r. If you want to do it, do it right - I can't stress how important this is. Use the cda tracks as you put it together and maintain all audio fidelity using professional mixing software.

There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:

black [1]

then [1]

white are [2]

all I see [3]

in my infancy [5]

red and yellow then came to be [8]

reaching out to me [5]

lets me see [3]

there is [2]

so [1]

much [1]

more and [2]

beckons me [3]

to look through to these [5]

infinite possibilities [8]

as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]

drawn outside the lines of reason [8]

push the envelope [5]

watch it bend [3]

I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself.

the Fibonacci Sequence. It's basically a string of numbers that when you add a number to the number before it, you get the next number. Starting with the numbers 0 and 1. 0+1=1, so the set now looks like this; 0 1 1. You take the 1 and add the previous number (1) and you get 2. The sequence looks like this; 0 1 1 2. Now you take the 2 and add the previous number and get 3. Now you have 0 1 1 2 3. When you add the 3 and the 2 you get 5. 0 1 2 3 5. 5+3=8. 0 1 1 2 3 5 8. The process continues.
"Obsession is a great substitute for talent." - Steve Martin on learning the banjo

Dell Inspiron 15 7000, Live 10.1, Win10 Home, Edirol UA101, APC40, Remote SL, SPD-SX, mic, POD500HDX, JX305, Nova
soundcloud.com/tone-deft

SubFunk
Posts: 7853
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:41 pm
Location: A Big Toilet Called Berlin
Contact:

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by SubFunk » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:30 pm

hugh... i like tool :D
*** Image GAFM ***

drumrak
Posts: 127
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:34 pm

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by drumrak » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:11 am

i saw tool at bonnaroo and it was easily the most spectacular thing ive ever witnessed in my life. i bet the international space station could see that show and all the lazers. i used to love tool and thats waned some but i think theyre one of the better bands of this era and will have a spot in history.

noisetonepause
Posts: 4935
Joined: Sat Dec 28, 2002 3:38 pm
Location: Second row from the expensive puddle, under ten others

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by noisetonepause » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 am

To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed.
Bwahaha. They're OK, but really...
Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.

funknotik
Posts: 441
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:22 am
Location: earth

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by funknotik » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:45 am

noisetonepause wrote:
To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed.
Bwahaha. They're OK, but really...


They are up there as far as bands. Probably top 5 in history for sure...
Two technics 1210 turntables, alot of guitars, 2gig Sony vgz fz290, 2gig frankenstein pc, mbox, ableton, flstudio, recycle, the infinity gauntlet, and alot of spare time..

Tone Deft
Posts: 23778
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:19 pm
Location: SF, CA

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:03 pm

Lateralus has been killing me today. genius.

/bliss

I've found Red Bull a great accompaniment to Tool. \m/
"Obsession is a great substitute for talent." - Steve Martin on learning the banjo

Dell Inspiron 15 7000, Live 10.1, Win10 Home, Edirol UA101, APC40, Remote SL, SPD-SX, mic, POD500HDX, JX305, Nova
soundcloud.com/tone-deft

sublimelobc
Posts: 407
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:30 pm
Location: St George, Utah
Contact:

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by sublimelobc » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:45 am

I took my wife with me to see Tool in Vegas.....and my salsa music loving latina wife actually enjoyed it! She didn't enjoy the hour and a half drive to get to the show....with my Tool playlist blaring on the stereo....but she appreciated them after hearing them live.

I love the bands approach to creating music....creating mystery in their methods and their message, and weaving so much into their music. To me, Tool is this generations Pink Floyd.

My favorite album is Lateralus, I have enjoyed all their albums...but the earlier albums messages are a little too cynical and dark for my personality now, however they were great for venting the angst of life when I was younger.

Tool has never disappointed on an album, ever.

Tone- Great link....I've read several similar links, including one that is cool that shows you how to overlap songs from 10,000 days, it is actually pretty cool.

Lazos
Posts: 653
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:02 am
Location: Auckland
Contact:

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by Lazos » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:00 am

Absolutely love Tool. They take the "progressive" style in a very unique direction. Sort of progressive trance metal. (I'm using the word "trance" here in its pure and literal meaning.) 8) I love Lateralus as well as older stuff, but particularly have been digging "Rosetta Stoned" for a long time.

Tone Deft
Posts: 23778
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:19 pm
Location: SF, CA

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:52 am

sublimelobc wrote:I took my wife with me to see Tool in Vegas.....and my salsa music loving latina wife actually enjoyed it! She didn't enjoy the hour and a half drive to get to the show....with my Tool playlist blaring on the stereo....but she appreciated them after hearing them live.
I think they're a band where the quality of the sound makes a HUGE difference. big wall of sound with the bass often wandering into the guitar's range.
My favorite album is Lateralus, I have enjoyed all their albums...but the earlier albums messages are a little too cynical and dark for my personality now, however they were great for venting the angst of life when I was younger.
stinkfist... a lyrical journey, no doubt. 8O
I've read several similar links, including one that is cool that shows you how to overlap songs from 10,000 days, it is actually pretty cool.
I'd love to read that!!
"Obsession is a great substitute for talent." - Steve Martin on learning the banjo

Dell Inspiron 15 7000, Live 10.1, Win10 Home, Edirol UA101, APC40, Remote SL, SPD-SX, mic, POD500HDX, JX305, Nova
soundcloud.com/tone-deft

leonard
Posts: 893
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:52 am
Location: ? ?

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by leonard » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:43 am

logic_user99 wrote: serious music, boys and girls.
awwwww.....
why so serious?
???

stringtapper
Posts: 6275
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:21 pm

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by stringtapper » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:48 am

leonard wrote:
logic_user99 wrote: serious music, boys and girls.
awwwww.....
why so serious?
My father... was a drinker.... and a fiend.
Unsound Designer

joe.cavers
Posts: 95
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:22 pm

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by joe.cavers » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:57 pm

'Sober' definitely had a pretty profound influence on me back in the day. I remember hearing it for the first time and just being like WOW.

Awesome, awesome band.

JC

Minimal Justice System
Posts: 272
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:53 am
Location: Scotland

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by Minimal Justice System » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:15 pm

Not my cup of tea really, not that I'm saying they're shit or anything as I'm generally open minded when it comes to music.

Tool is a rather crappy name though, I would only give them 5 out of 10 which could be increased if they decide to change their name. :?
Live 7, Sony Vaio, limited talent, limited budget, limitless enthusiasm. :D
http://twitter.com/funkydoolah

silveriofunk
Posts: 396
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:34 am
Location: London

Re: Anyone like the band Tool???

Post by silveriofunk » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:48 pm

my favourite band!

Post Reply