Ableton Forum

evon wrote:My statements can be very powerful and usually are capable of evoking that kind of reaction, so I understand.

evon wrote:Based on all the unbiased comments..Live sucks in comparison.

Tarekith wrote:I gotta mom and pop.

leisuremuffin wrote:@KK, I never said warping couldn't be improved. But I don't use it (with the exception of using it specifically as an effect), except for when i DJ, and then i use re-pitch anyway.


But let's not confuse that with the non-existent problem with live's "audio engine."
you did agree with a user who said there was something wrong with the way live sounds, and then you said it was because of warping.
I think that statement is misleading and untrue.




.lm.

Warping quality and the Ableton's audio engine are two separate discussions/topics/issues.

evon wrote:

@Tone Deft, i'll take your word for it and in the spirit of an earlier post of mine, evon should post his music to prove if he even needs it.

This is not about music.this is about sound.. the quality... the characteristics of a sound!!
Based on all the unbiased comments..Live sucks in comparison.
Speak to the guys that make hits..guys that know how to make sounds pleasing to sell millions.
Lets face it, that definately is not Live's forte.

j2j wrote:Does anybody get clicks and pops?

leisuremuffin wrote:it's the ass in the chair more than it is the shit on the desk.

leedsquietman wrote:When you use the same raw audio with no plugins, at the same pan law, there is NO DIFFERENCE. The only one with a tiniest amount of difference (not better, just different) was PTHD because of fixed point 48 bit conversion, instead of 32 bit floating point conversion.

Live doesn't allow you to change the pan law which could differ from the defaults in some other DAWS.

Null tests work just fine, as do my ears and I have 23 years of recording experience.

The reason WHY people say Logic, Cubase and others sound better is a) people have a misconception of Live as being a DJ's toy software and looking like an Excel screen must make it sound crap. b) Logic, Cubase and others do have better (IMO) plugins in the box and this is the difference people hear. People are not comparing raw audio files with nothing touched and no plugins applied, they are comparing files which have been processed through different plugins. You get a good 3rd party plugin such as SOnalksis's SV517mkII EQ and use the same settings in Live or Cubase, it sounds THE SAME !!

knotkranky wrote:

evon wrote:

@Tone Deft, i'll take your word for it and in the spirit of an earlier post of mine, evon should post his music to prove if he even needs it.

This is not about music.this is about sound.. the quality... the characteristics of a sound!!
Based on all the unbiased comments..Live sucks in comparison.
Speak to the guys that make hits..guys that know how to make sounds pleasing to sell millions.
Lets face it, that definately is not Live's forte.

no, it's about music. The stars don't question what they use cuz they're busy.
What the big record makers don't get, is frustrated at gear. It simply isn't used if so.
Facts are, Abes does not cater to that click, but hits can be made on just about any medium.