I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

[knotkranky]

I say it because someone has to.

how am I a moderator? the cool thing is that we're all moderators. the Abes have stated that this place flows how we all generally agree it should, just no porn, no racism and try to watch your mouth.

I wouldn't want to be a moderator, I'd prefer to shoot my mouth off without that hanging over my head.

there are posters that do little more than make OT threads. Starving Student is awful for this. I'll pick on him if it numbs your pussy.

seriously, you're posting on a forum for a product you don't use just to argue mac vs pc?

In all honesty i don't use any program. I haven't written music in a long time but I do use live when I do. Not since last year though so yeah, i feel busted. evs

And what better thread to take a piss in than a stupid mac,pc thread. Besides it's about starting them, not posting in them. Wasn't my stupid thread sooo....

Ok, you wanna be ot hall monitor? that's cool, i'll comply, but you gotta lay out the ground rules and specs so I can meet your guidelines. None of this evolving rules on the fly business. Lay it out brutha!

[SubFunk]

[quote=]"Tarekith" everything cool man?[/quote]

it does not seem to be the case. unfortunately.

[Tone Deft]

you're posting on a forum for a product you don't use

damn you really make me miss my movie.

sorry about that, but these are important issues!!

it's just a rant. man, I raise my voice and the whole room goes 'wtf?!?' it's the Ableton forum, RAWWWWRRRR!!! sorry for throwing rocks.

In all honesty i don't use any program. I haven't written music in a long time but I do use live when I do. Not since last year though so yeah, i feel busted. evs

And what better thread to take a piss in than a stupid mac,pc thread. Besides it's about starting them, not posting in them. Wasn't my stupid thread sooo....

Ok, you wanna be ot hall monitor? that's cool, i'll comply, but you gotta lay out the ground rules and specs so I can meet your guidelines. None of this evolving rules on the fly business. Lay it out brutha!

but look at the flip side. nobody cares if you use the software or not, they really don't. I don't really care except more and more people are losing the point of the forum. that's part of what people are saying is cool about this place, right?

I'm just one voice, screw the post count. I get one vote, you get one vote, 'zzzzzz' gets one vote, dom counts the votes (it's all rigged.)

nothing I've written is fact, it's just another opinion.

Tone's been really uptight lately, everything cool man?

life is great these days. lots of cycling, music front is fresh and fun, work is easy and productive, taking a long weekend and planning a cruise for next month. it's all the frigging OT threads... I really genuinely do enjoy discussing Live, music and audio. I seem to be the only one voicing this opinion, dunno what it's such a foreign idea.

and I'm all hyped up on Red Bull. typingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtypingtyping

imagine you're an uptight suit wearing money counting guy at Ableton. you have no clue about Fun Fun Fridays. one day you check your company's product forum and it's about anything except your product. might you go to your web admin and ask wtf?

[Machinesworking]

I say it because someone has to.

how am I a moderator? the cool thing is that we're all moderators. the Abes have stated that this place flows how we all generally agree it should, just no porn, no racism and try to watch your mouth.

I wouldn't want to be a moderator, I'd prefer to shoot my mouth off without that hanging over my head.

there are posters that do little more than make OT threads. Starving Student is awful for this. I'll pick on him if it numbs your pussy.

seriously, you're posting on a forum for a product you don't use just to argue mac vs pc?

In all honesty i don't use any program. I haven't written music in a long time but I do use live when I do. Not since last year though so yeah, i feel busted. evs

And what better thread to take a piss in than a stupid mac,pc thread. Besides it's about starting them, not posting in them. Wasn't my stupid thread sooo....

Ok, you wanna be ot hall monitor? that's cool, i'll comply, but you gotta lay out the ground rules and specs so I can meet your guidelines. None of this evolving rules on the fly business. Lay it out brutha!

@tone, I don't think beating up on acknowledged professionals that are fond of this forum, and Live fanboys, who really don't stir the pot much is helping the Ableton forums not be monitored. Honestly, mac VS PC is old as the hills, every software forum has some, even monitored forums, it's a piss take, but at some point someone might possibly use some piece of information from the pissing. The hardware and software Live runs on is essentially on topic, not off. Honestly this is off topic to a degree, but not as OT as most OT, which makes it weird to me that you're using that excuse for your rant??

Ableton of course love people like knot here who actually have made $$$ off of music, and who aren't total assholes to people. even if it's mainly OT they post in, even if they're mainly engineers and rarely create their own music (does that title sound familiar?). Now people who constantly get into it with other people (I'm not excluding myself from this), like you, they might be less than thrilled when you post before you've had your morning coffee.

[Tone Deft]

very good points.

I'm glad the discussion is going on.

it's OUR forum, we can do with it as we wish.

edit - oh and of course it's great the KK is here, but he doesn't talk shop like he used to. still, a level headed nice guy that doesn't get into flame wars.

[SubFunk]

imagine you're an uptight suit wearing money counting guy at Ableton. you have no clue about Fun Fun Fridays. one day you check your company's product forum and it's about anything except your product. might you go to your web admin and ask wtf?

i think that is rubbish in respect to that it will never happen.

this forum is probably the most "productive" one around, because of the relaxed vibe and all the fun and outrageousness we can have.

i see it totally opposite then you, the more fun and bullshit the better for hanging out here a long time and enjoying the quality of getting to know each other a bit, at least on a virtual level... in other forums people permanently come and go... cause it's boring hardcore nerd.

as i said, just look if there is really any serious matter / topic where not many people chime in to deliver there best of help and knowledge?

i think YES!

and i'd rather have a lot of OT and bullshit next to it then an overall lame forum, like ALL the others.

now, i hopefully manage the damn movie... GGGRRRR>>>

p.s. and knot has a vast knowledge of oldskool recording, very, very valuable for this community, respect! using Live or not, i couldn't care less.
i learn a lot i can adapt to my style of working. that is what counts.

if i believe in one thing about the abes and the way they run there forum, they are about music and the community surrounding it in the first place and not just uptight about Live. that is i think why most of us love it here. and can learn so much from this place, i would learn way less if it would be an uptight ableton live product place. thank you ableton and dom, who is fighting for us a lot to keep it that way!

[funky shit]

*enters thread*

PC is awesome.. if you know what your doing.. your sweet.
if you cant computer.. your fucked.

Mac is awesome.. although overpriced by a long haul and followed by pretentious wankbags.

*leaves thread*

[Tone Deft]

SubFunk - interesting, I'll keep that viewpoint in mind.

[AceLuby]

*enters thread*

PC is awesome.. if you know what your doing.. your sweet.
if you cant computer.. your fucked.

Mac is awesome.. although overpriced by a long haul and followed by pretentious wankbags.

*leaves thread*

Awesome...

[SubFunk]

*enters thread*

PC is awesome.. if you know what your doing.. your sweet.
if you cant computer.. your fucked.

Mac is awesome.. although overpriced by a long haul and followed by pretentious wankbags.

*leaves thread*

Awesome...

uber-awesomeness... can we please manage page 100... i am bored.

[Homebelly]

if you know what your doing.. your sweet.
if you cant computer.. your fucked.

For me, this has always been the key.
I'm home in bed with a migraine ( off all the ailments to be cruising the forum with, i go with a migraine )
I've read all of this thread, and the part that sticks out for me is that all of the PC users that are chomping down
on the boasts that the Mac users are making also often include some caveat that alludes to how they have built a roll your own
PC and then stripped out the aspects of the MS-OS they don't need and optimized it for Music. To me this suggests that a level of computer knowledge needs to be there in the user to build and maintain a machine that will perform at a consistent level.

This has always been an issue for me using MS based operating systems in any environment.
MS assumes it users have some computer operating knowledge, were as Apple assumes we are all idiots.
I am quite happy to admit that when it comes to computers i am an idiot.
OSX and Apple meet my expectations in every regard.
I could buy a chassis, add all of the parts, do my home work about conflicting chip sets and driver issues.
Down load a list from the web, or post on a forum asking for advice on what i should keep, or what i should flick out of the OS
to optimize my machine for Music, what version of the OS do i need, the Pro edition, the home edition,, and so on,,,
Or,,
I can go to the Apple store and buy an off the shelf mac, go home, and never have to spend any time learning any thing at all about computers...
Hell,,
I don't know know fuck all about toasters, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, Car engines, telephones or any other tool i need to use to help me get through the day or that i need to help me get my work done, so why do i need to know about optimizing a fucking computer???

[SubFunk]

OSX and Apple meet my expectations in every regard.
I could buy a chassis, add all of the parts, do my home work about conflicting chip sets and driver issues.
Down load a list from the web, or post on a forum asking for advice on what i should keep, or what i should flick out of the OS
to optimize my machine for Music, what version of the OS do i need, the Pro edition, the home edition,, and so on,,,
Or,,
I can go to the Apple store and buy an off the shelf mac, go home, and never have to spend any time learning any thing at all about computers...
Hell,,
I don't know know fuck all about toasters, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, Car engines, telephones or any other tool i need to use to help me get through the day or that i need to help me get my work done, so why do i need to know about optimizing a fucking computer???

you wrapped it up, and i have a lot of prove that a mac really just works, my girlfriend is one of many, many switchers i know the only thing she ever needed to learn about OSX is to repair permissions after an apps install. before she was phoning about once a week a friend of ours who is an IT support guy at HP, with a problem... and she only uses office, some primitive graphics app, the net and a printer.

just ask her, since she has a MB she just switches the damn thing on everyday and works knowing absolute zero about computers. she has the machine since 2 years now)
she knows way more about PCs because she had to learn 'them' in order to work without a hitch.

[McQ714]

I've read all of this thread, and the part that sticks out for me is that all of the PC users that are chomping down
on the boasts that the Mac users are making also often include some caveat that alludes to how they have built a roll your own
PC and then stripped out the aspects of the MS-OS they don't need and optimized it for Music. To me this suggests that a level of computer knowledge needs to be there in the user to build and maintain a machine that will perform at a consistent level.

if you can follow the directions of a set of Lego's, you can build and optimize a computer. there are many guides that tell you exactly what to do. the thing is, that Windows is a very intricate OS that allows you to do much more than just audio/video and has features that allow you to do everything you would ever need a computer to do and be compatible with any sort of device you would need it to compatible with. i.e., office peripherals, video devices, audio devices, software, networking devices. whatever it may be, it's all compatible with windows. the same cannot be said for Macs. now, there are some exceptions, with companies that manufacture audio hardware and software that won't run on windows and IMO, it's a huge mistake. Euphonix being one that comes to mind. and if Apple would make Logic for Windows again, their software sales would increase greatly i think.

This has always been an issue for me using MS based operating systems in any environment.
MS assumes it users have some computer operating knowledge, were as Apple assumes we are all idiots.

they don't just assume this... they bank on it!!!

I don't know know fuck all about toasters, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, Car engines, telephones or any other tool i need to use to help me get through the day or that i need to help me get my work done, so why do i need to know about optimizing a fucking computer???

so.. what you are saying here is that you are a woman!?! and you just want things to work out of the box! where is your sense of adventure? have you never had to set the clock on the VCR? truth of the matter is that PCs and windows aren't as difficult to learn and optimize as the Mac-Daddies are leading you to believe. if you've ever setup a printer or plugged in an external hard drive to your computer, then you know enough to tweak your computer. it really isn't that difficult unless you are some dumb blonde that could easily drown in a pool because someone placed a mirror at the bottom.

[AceLuby]

These arguments are funny.

"Macs are better because I don't have to know anything about computers, even though I'm producing all my music digitally on computers..."

"Macs are better because my girlfriend says it's easier to use and I agree."

[karmaofdove]

just wanted to make an appearance: