Shuttle / Biostar PCs and Ableton Live = ultra affordable.

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Shuttle / Biostar PCs and Ableton Live = ultra affordable.

Post by AdamJay » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:00 am

A good friend of mine consulted me on building him a computer for General purpose stuff, games, email, etc. Well, since coordinating the Live 4 Performance Test i had to test this new machine with it, i'm a geek like that. It took about 40 minutes to assemble the machine, anyone could do it really, its just installing cpu/ram/hd/dvd

I was quite impressed with the results of this sub $500 machine.

after shipping the components, the total of the machine was $490 (price does not include monitor or OS).
We went with a Biostar SFF (Small form factor, aka cube pc) 210v Barebone system (small case, motherboard, psu), Athlon XP 3200 CPU, 512MB Mushkin DDR400 Ram, a 120GB Serial ATA Western Digital HD (7200rpm, 8mb cache), and a Nu 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive.

The machine scored a 21% in the Live 4 Performance Test (running Windows XP SP2) which matches the high scores we got from the Dual 2.5ghz G5's, and Pentium M 2ghz.

just thought i'd share as it really surprised me.
the scarey thing is, if you went with a regular sized ATX Case, and motherboard (not the miniature Biostar box), it would be about $100 less.
the times we live in :D

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Post by ryansupak » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:39 pm

yep, those little computers are pretty nice -- i had one of those before i got a laptop and it didn't even blink with Ableton.

rs

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Post by Montonn » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:35 pm

adamjay,
I'm very interested in this computer you are talking about.
i sent you a personal message. not sure if you received it or not.
but i would like to know more about the components that you used.
where you ordered them and what you ordered.
I would like to build a small pc for audio applications, mainly ableton live.
I know its difficult building a pc because of the incompatibility of components, but one that has been tried and tested (by yourself) makes it easier. Plus with those performance numbers, I'm very impressed.
any help appreciated. Sorry if you already received the PM. I haven't used a PC in a few years so I've been out of the loop. Thanks.

Montonn

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Post by dCross » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:50 am

http://www.newegg.com is a great computer hardware resource

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Post by AdamJay » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:38 am

yea i used Newegg for a couple of parts (Barebone Case/mobo/psu and Ram)

here's a list of the parts, with links from the vendors i used and also the prices. the ram went up $1, so the total as of today is $491 after shipping of hte parts.

Barebone Biostar IDEQ 210v
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 014&depa=0
$167 Shipped

Athlon XP 3200 CPU
http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=7354
$111 Shipped (make sure to disable all the extras they include by default on the webpage. the Biostar already has a heatsink/fan so all you need is the OEM CPU Chip only. Price - $107 for cpu, Shipping - $4.28 )

Nu 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive Black, OEM
http://www.pcdirect.com/product.asp?Sku ... DO%2DBLACK
$54 Shipped

120GB SATA WD 7200rpm HD
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/simprod ... &ad=pwatch
$82 Shipped.
(EDIT: It looks like they are out of stock right now. A decent alternative would be the Samsung @ http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 017&depa=0 for $86 Shipped)

512MB PC3200 Mushkin Ram
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 219&depa=1
$77 Shipped

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Post by Montonn » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:07 am

Will i need the thermal compound that comes with the athlon XP chip? Since I do not have any lying around? Or will I not need it. Sorry for being so clueless in the matter.

Montonn

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:20 am

ooops , forgot to mention that.

yea you will need some thermal compound. i have a big tube of arctic silver that i've used on almost 20 cpu's now so i seem to forget it being a necessity.

you wont need much, 1 small tube of arctic silver can do like 6 cpu's so get the smallest tube you can find. and you dont necessarily need arctic silver... the cheap thermal paste will do.

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Post by Montonn » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:30 am

thanks. and that should be it right? any other special tools I may need? What would be the best resource for me to get some info on assembling a SFF pc? thanks for all the help so far.

Montonn

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:43 am

well Biostar and Shuttle SFF's all come with a Full Color installation guide, as long as you purchase a "Retail Box" model and not a Refurbished or OEM model.

It comes with all the screws, cables (mostly preinstalled) that you will need.
All you will need for installation is a Philips Head Screwdriver.

www.Sudhian.com has an excellent forum with a SFF section, lots of knowledge there. I learned there that the Radeon 9600 Series video cards aren't compatible with the Biostar 210v - and i learned this about 1 hour before i was going to purchase the R-9600, so it saved my ass.

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