Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by Poster » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:02 pm

SubFunk wrote:
dom wrote:
Bynar wrote:Why not use an oxygen8 keyboard (with velocity) to trigger clips.
Mainly because they have no lights, therefore can't represent the state of your clip slots (empty, clip present, clip playing, clip recording) and you can't navigate and select which area of the session you want to control.


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i agree, except on the lights, i think you should have the option to switch them off!

a bloody guitar or piano or drums or a trumpet does not have lights either, and yet people can play them very well, if you can't trigger your damn clips without a disco show, i really think you should leave it altogether. (but maybe i am the only one who considers Live being an instrument?)

if the APC 40 could just switch off the disco show and you could then have the possibility to run that damn thing via USB bus power, that would be gold in my eyes. and for the ones who need the disco, very well, they can switch it on and use the PSU.

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then buy another matrix padded device without lights..
why would you buy this thing if you don't want it to communicate with you?

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by Bynar » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:11 pm

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by v00d00ppl » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:15 pm

kraymon wrote:ive already got a controller with some knobs on so coupled with this it might be jsut what i need. good price too.

same here....i got x station sliders and pots then i can add on with this.....i can't wait.
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by SubFunk » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:17 pm

then buy another matrix padded device without lights..
why would you buy this thing if you don't want it to communicate with you?
is there a matrix device that does ALL, except the lights like a Launchpad and costs the same or less?

if please point me to it!

i would be happy. apart from that i said i like if you could have the option between disco and none disco... in the same device.
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by BoimB son of BoB » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:17 pm

dom wrote:
Bynar wrote:Why not use an oxygen8 keyboard (with velocity) to trigger clips.
Mainly because they have no lights, therefore can't represent the state of your clip slots (empty, clip present, clip playing, clip recording) and you can't navigate and select which area of the session you want to control.


Cheers,
Dom
what a load of bullshit.

in a large live set, you need the visual feedback of a computer screen, otherwise you don't have a clue what you're triggering anyway.
you can easily navigate your session, using justa keyboard.

marketingtalkbullshit.

anyways, i'm still getting one of these for fun and ergonomics.

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by The Carpet Cleaner » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:25 pm

littlelosthorse wrote:I have a question!!!!

This is an absolute deal breaker for me!

I was *massively* dissapointed to find out the novations automap 3 pro software cannot automap to native live devices. However, this new launchpad thing comes with automap and says that it controls lives devices - - - does this mean that we will finally be able to use automap on native live devices???


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from what I understand, launchpad will not need automap to work with Live. And, me too, I was disapointed at first with my nocturn, to see that effects were not autmoatically mapped to it. But then I learn to midi map manually, only what I need to map. And I believe it will be the same deal with the launchpad. Execpt mixer and drumrack, there is another page called user 2 that you can midi map yourself.

I still love my APC, cause I have nothing to map. And for me that's great cause I really hate mapping stuff when "I-want-to-make-music-and-use-my-effects-but-I-need-to-midi-map-everything-first".
Anyway the APC is way too big to move it around. for me it's like a personal mixing desk.
And the launchpad looks super intersting to take with your laptop in your bag. And it's cheap.

Edit : here is a vid explaining user modes : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEhsEu3NnLM

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by 3dot... » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:38 pm

ok ... I've just cancelled my APC order.. :mrgreen:
just in time... getting 2 of these instead...
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by Poster » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:41 pm

SubFunk wrote:
then buy another matrix padded device without lights..
why would you buy this thing if you don't want it to communicate with you?
is there a matrix device that does ALL, except the lights like a Launchpad and costs the same or less?
does all what?
without the light feedback Launchpad doesn't do anything other than sending out MIDI..
just get one of these with more keys.. no lights and cheaper..
http://www.etech.com/advanced_search_re ... cription=1

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by SubFunk » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:52 pm

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SubFunk wrote:
then buy another matrix padded device without lights..
why would you buy this thing if you don't want it to communicate with you?
is there a matrix device that does ALL, except the lights like a Launchpad and costs the same or less?
does all what?
without the light feedback Launchpad doesn't do anything other than sending out MIDI..
just get one of these with more keys.. no lights and cheaper..
http://www.etech.com/advanced_search_re ... cription=1
ha ha ha, LOL

same matrix, same midi functions, changing banks, etc. just 100% the same (layout, everything) just without the light feedback.

besides again for all you that can't read, i said i would like it to be SWITCHABLE ON / OFF (and i said also especially for the APC 40, because if the disco is disabled it could run via USB power... and the ones who need the disco can use the PSU)

do we have to establish a reading course here or what?

maybe i should have a word with dom, a new section for the reading disabled on the forum... or we could easy write in chinese as well, hey?
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by crumhorn » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:53 pm

Please tell me those buttons are velocity sensitive; if they are then my daydreams have just come true.
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by SubFunk » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:54 pm

crumhorn wrote:Please tell me those buttons are velocity sensitive; if they are then my daydreams have just come true.
would be nice, but i don't think so for the money, i would be surprised.
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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by Hidden Driveways » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:56 pm

1ino1eum wrote:Anyway the APC is way too big to move it around.
If the APC is too big to move around, what about something the size of a guitar? Is that too big as well?

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by willdahbe » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:01 pm

shit I just bought maschine for the drum sequencer. Don't want to sell it already but this looks like MFL, 2 of these side by side you could step sequence anything!

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by McQ714 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:04 pm

^ Absolutely. leave your guitars in the studio. play the spoons, harmonicas, iphone synths, nintendo ds synths, whistles, and anything else you can fit in your pocket because it's such a hardship to carry any sort of equipment on your back in a bag with shoulder straps.

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Re: Novation LAUNCHPAD: new dedicated controller for Live!!!

Post by anachroschism » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:06 pm

1-no velocity sensitivity
2-worthless for anything other than clip launch
3-djtechtools vid showed the buttons not feeling the best and moving too much
4-NO CONTROL OF DEVICES


complete dealbreaker for me at least, specially #2. I also dont care about monome functionality, but can see how others would like it for seqeuncing and such. As a converted DJ I absolutely need tactile control and the feedback of physical knobs and faders and such. APC is still IMO far and away the best live controller, and my laptop APC and and asst. gear still fits in the right bag and weighs less then LP crates.

There is a niche for this, and a market given the affordable price. However, this has to be used in conjunction with something else though, and if thats your plan get a padkontrol or something with velocity sensitivity. I looked into various novation gear, liked the zero mkII a bit, but the general build quality and feel is sub-par. APC feels like a 1000 piece of equipment i got for 400, and its more functional then 2 of these.

APC should have nothing to fear, and all you who cancelled your orders and are getting this........you'll regret it i think.

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