If you had known about Launchpad would you have bought APC?

[Tone Deft]

Tone, is there a faster way to implement momentary behavior aside from the obvious (max, bomes, etc)?

Is there a min/ max ratio I'm missing in midi map screen or something?

nothing obvious, s4racen's scripting, haven't tried it yet. can't find a better thread than this one:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... &hilit=vc1


delicioso - by all means start helping people get a better experience with automap, there are always threads on how confusing it is.

[Ezmyrelda]

The Automap can be irritating at times but there is a pretty recent howto for using the Nocturn with Live's MIDI remote scripting which will allow you to control whatever rack has focus. That and the launchpad would give me as many buttons and knobs (Plus a crossfader!) as I need.

[drako]

I already have a remote zero sl, wished for some kind of slimmed down APC, but there was no news on that.
So i ordered the APC and got it 2 weeks ago, nice machine, very solid, but now the remote sl had no more use anymore.

Until last week, i saw the novation launch pad on the front page.
I was like wtf... So i sold my apc, and preordered the launchpad.

[nuxnamon]

hell yeah I'd still pick the APC..

[hurlingdervish]

never buy anything new in the first 6 months its out. EVER.

[naph]

absolutely yes.

akai quality is great.
and also i founds myself not using so much the clip grid as of now.. but the whole track selection sends, device encoders a lot during production!

[littlelosthorse]

Automap will be crap until they get native ableton devices working with it p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y!

[delicioso]

Automap will be crap until they get native ableton devices working with it p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y!

I think you're confused. Novation's handling of native Ableton devices is identical to APC40 or any other midi controller with assignable 8 encoders. Novation Ableton template works well with all of Live's native devices. You have 8 encoders that map instantly to the first 8 controls of a Live device or macros in a rack. For the Nocturn, it's just a matter of using remote midi instant mapping like any other midi controller. Other than this, there is no "proper" solution for native Ableton devices with any existing controller, not even APC40.

There's a limitation with Live in that you can't save assignments in a preset for native Live plugins, unless you put them in a rack.

Also, Launchpad does not use Novation Automap. It uses Ableton's own version of instant mapping, as does the APC40 and Novation's Ableton template. These are not the same as Automap Universal.

[littlelosthorse]

I think you're confused.

No, i understand completely. Automap is a great concept but it is rubbish in Ableton because it cannot be used in conjunction with native devices. You're right, there is no proper solution and Ableton's own instant mapping is at best, a bit pants really.

In conclusion, if novation had made this clear before purchase, I wouldn't have bought a novation controller - Regardless of whether I knew about Launchpad or not.

[delicioso]

No, i understand completely. Automap is a great concept but it is rubbish in Ableton because it cannot be used in conjunction with native devices.

I'm not sure if you do understand. Novation Automap controllers CAN be used in conjunction with Live's native devices. It's no different than APC40 or any other midi controllers with 8 encoders.

[jsg4z]

My problem with the apc40 was a combination of the volume sliders not showing the current volume and that you have NO idea what parameter you are going to change when you spin a knob. I still spend a lot of time looking at the Live interface. I am thinking launch pad might be all the really useful bits of the apc40 without the large size and with easy access to volume levels and mixer levels.

[RajahP]

the APC is a general studio controller

I came very close to buying one for this reason plus its much more hands on
for firing clips than my Faderfox for live work.

However, I would have got one if the faders had been motorised making it a
true studio controller. That was a breaker for me.

I'm deffo getting the launchpad and am pretty happy that I didn't get the APC
especially with the UK pricing!!!

Now, the question is, are motorized faders obsolete with the Launchpad concept of volume controls?

[jsg4z]

i would say so. the LEDs become your driven faders

[Tone Deft]

i would say so. the LEDs become your driven faders

that's a very good point. that idea should be ported to the APC tweaks, haven't tried those yet.

[jsg4z]

you think there is someway to enable that on the apc40? it certainly has the hardware to do it...just needs software. very cool.