Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

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Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by necho » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:17 pm

So a friend of mine has XLN Audio's Addictive Drums - it absolutely kicks ass. But I like the idea of having high quality live drum kits fully integrated into Live. Has anyone compared Addictive Drums to Session Drums?
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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Chisel » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:21 pm

I also use Addictive Drums with Live. I created a Drum Rack preset that loads Addictive Drums with the entire kit mapped to Drum Rack pads so the proper names appear in the piano roll (AD doesn't use GM mapping). I don't think you can get more integrated than that! I bought AD for the amazing sound shaping tools and effects that allow you to turn a single drum kit into dozens of different sounding kits. The support is also top notch.

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by supamonsta » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:25 pm

AD rocks!!

hey, Chisel, would you share your AD mapped rack?

cheers

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by elxicano » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:39 pm

AD all the way. I have both and I personally prefer AD over Session Drums. I find AD easier to browse/load sounds and the drag n' drop midi pattern feature is great. I love the Retro expansion as well as the freebie Wooferland add-on. I also love the organization... being able to sort by timing/genre is a nice feature.

Session Drums, requires a bit of work and patience. Maybe I'll enjoy it more when I have much faster processing power, but right now it often feels more trouble than it's worth. Just my opinion though.

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by glitchrock-buddha » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:11 pm

Addictive Drums FTW!

Lighter on cpu, loads fast, sounds great, fun to play. 'Nuff said.
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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Guff Tong » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Question RE: AD -

I have a six pad drum controller (AKAI LPD8) and it maps the snare (in its variations) over several of the pads.

Q: Is there a way to have these multi samples mapped to the same pad using its velocity sensitivity to determine the triggered snare multi sample?

Have been using note mode, not CC btw...maybe that would do it?

Only triggered with my midi keys before so not had to delve into AD's midi map.......

- Incidentally, where isAD's internal midi map section as I can't find it?

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by yearlongyeti » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:10 pm

I have both, brought Addictive drums after session drums drove me nuts. Session drums take forever to sample the different sounds and is really cpu intensive. Addictive drums = turn on and create

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Jekblad » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:52 pm

i have session drums so i can't comment on addictive, just want to say session drums is a usable product for me, but i had to re-save all the patches so they mapped to pad kontrol nice. also they need a little mixin out of the bat.

i spent an hour or two changing the pad location and actually organizing the presets, so each kit name is in it's own folder. This def makes em easier to find and actually use more.

not very good for auditioning kits.

if you like the "racks" system in live then it's nice to have session drums.

i like em fine for making plain ole rock music, i find them easily adaptable via changing the tuning etc, not the same sound over and over
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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by necho » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:13 pm

thanks fellas.... pretty unanimous.

Addictive Drums it is.... I gotta say, from what I've seen, I think AD might be one of my favourite plugins of all time...

Making a custom rack with the drum pads mapped sounds like the way forward.
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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Chisel » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:24 am

monstrejumo wrote:AD rocks!!

hey, Chisel, would you share your AD mapped rack?

cheers
Addictive Drums Ableton Live Drum Rack

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by necho » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:53 am

cheers - built my own though :)

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Dan Dare » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:11 am

Chisel wrote:
monstrejumo wrote:AD rocks!!

hey, Chisel, would you share your AD mapped rack?

cheers
Addictive Drums Ableton Live Drum Rack

Enjoy!

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chisel316
Hey Chisel, thanks for doing all the hard work in mapping AD to the pads.

I was hoping for some help with sending the multi outputs of AD to appear in the corresponding drum rack channels.

I changed the external Instrument "audio From " from kick to snare for a pad with a snare on it but of course there is multiple pads that use that same snare channel from AD so you get a double up of audio.

I might need a fresh perspective on how to route the audio out of AD and back to the corresponding drum rack channels. Any help greatly appreciated.

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by theophilus » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:20 pm

haven't done that for addictive drums (had the free version, didn't really like it all that much) but have done that for some kontakt-based instruments. the secret: use chains, with nested drum racks and external instrument instances. I put the main instrument on the kick channel
(because for kontakt, that's where outputs 1/2 go and you can't change that), create chains for each of the channels in AD, and add an external instrument to it. Then in each sub-drum rack, add chains, and set the from/to note both to what you want. Hard to describe but not too hard to figure out when you're doing it.

btw... i had the 'free' version of addictive, and didn't think that much of it. It sounds fine, but I didn't think it was better than session drums. I really like session drums actually, it works well with edrums, it sounds good, and it's very flexible. It does require (or allow depending on how you look at it) a little bit of mixing, but there are a few presets for processed kits that sound really good (and give you an idea of what is possible). I also have some oceanway & drum masters stereo kits, plus steven slate, and while they are good for different things, I wouldn't say they are better or worse, just different - and none of them played well with my edrum kit (based around an alesis trigger i/o) like session drums did.

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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by AceLuby » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:49 pm

I use the session drums raw wave files to create my own drum racks. Grab all the kick sounds, thrown them in a sampler, macro up the selector w/in sampler, macro that selector to the drum rack macro and whalla! Now I can have a MIDI clip run and select the best voice for the kick drum (and any other drums in my rack). No presets needed and a very simple method to create a master drum rack that can be used for anything.
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Re: Session Drums vs Addictive Drums

Post by Dan Dare » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:11 am

Thanks Theophilus!

I think I follow I'll give it some further exploration.

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