Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

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Would you pay?

$299 for Max4Live with jitter
19
26%
$199 for Max4Live Lite without jitter
10
14%
$50 for Max4Live runtime
45
61%
 
Total votes: 74

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:11 pm

stringtapper wrote:Why do hippies think they deserve free shit?
You've answered your own question there with a slight fix on my end.
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by orgul » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:13 pm

+1

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by dextroc » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:16 pm

this EUR vs USD pricing confuses me. If I remember correctly, I've always been able to choose which currency I'd like to pay in since my local currency is neitherone of those. technically I'm in europe, though, but still i think i only have paid in USD...
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by stringtapper » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:50 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote:
stringtapper wrote:Why do hippies think they deserve free shit?
You've answered your own question there with a slight fix on my end.
Thank you, sir.
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by S4racen » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:00 pm

I've got Dollars in my paypal account, i wonder if i can use those instead....?

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by glitchrock-buddha » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:10 pm

Over half of their M4L sales will be from people who never have any intention of building their own devices. Why would they just give those people that for free and lose all those sales?

My honest guess was 399 for M4L, I think 299 is quite reasonable.
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by Rave » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:54 pm

twisted-space wrote:
blackboab wrote:runtime should be free for everyone ... just as it is currently with Max/MSP
While I'd like a free runtime for M4L as much as you, I can see that there would be little commercial reason to produce one. A low cost runtime possibly with some kind of upgrade path would generate an income stream for the developers and allow those who just want to play with stuff built by others to do so for minimal outlay.
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Expect to be called cretins etc
Don't really see why anyone should go mental over a friendly disscussion, though some people on here do seem a little sensitive.

Talking of being sensitive, RAVE, you sig is not very nice, do you really think everyone here is a loser?

Not at all my friend. If you click on the image it will take you to my latest work in progress called Loser.

Saying that I have just modified my sig in the last five minutes to keep it a little more current :P

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:19 pm

glitchrock-buddha wrote:Over half of their M4L sales will be from people who never have any intention of building their own devices. Why would they just give those people that for free and lose all those sales?
That's where a runtime version of M4L comes in, doesn't it? lol.
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by glitchrock-buddha » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:30 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote:
glitchrock-buddha wrote:Over half of their M4L sales will be from people who never have any intention of building their own devices. Why would they just give those people that for free and lose all those sales?
That's where a runtime version of M4L comes in, doesn't it? lol.
Oh for 50 bucks? Sorry, let me rephrase. Why would ableton just throw away 249 dollars when so many people will likely buy M4L just for other peoples devices? The way I see it it's like Reaktor. So many Reaktor owners own it just for the already made ensembles and user library, and it's still great value for that and they know it. I can't see M4L being split up, for similar reasons.
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by twisted-space » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:43 pm

Rave wrote: Not at all my friend. If you click on the image it will take you to my latest work in progress called Loser.
Fair enough, I'll have a listen later.

Didn't Beck do a song called loser?

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Emissary wrote:+1 on a runtime free for suite owners, that would be ace
and why only suite owners? :roll:
'Cos it's the suite, it includes all the extra stuff, thats why it costs so much more.

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by Johnisfaster » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:47 pm

you don't see NI releasing a free Reaktor runtime do you?
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:25 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:you don't see NI releasing a free Reaktor runtime do you?

No, but you do see the C74 folks releasing a Max runtime. :P
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by Rave » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:30 pm

stringtapper wrote:Why do people think they deserve free shit?

Do you work for free? If you do, you're grazing in a field of 'tard.

Why should Ableton/Cycling '74 work for free?

I dont want free shit , I just dont want to pay for shit LOL

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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by steff3 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:32 pm

Well, I think the Max-RT has to be seen in the way it is. Max is often used for installations and live performances ... So, for installations you normally do not want to have a license of Max bound to the computer used in the installation (and therefore unaccessable for work) so you can make the patch work and then use the RunTime environment for installation operation.

There is not such case for Live - as Live itself has no runtime.

I think there should be a player (like the kore-player) that allows Ableton and Cycling to bundle pre-determined patches with Live. That is free and is in every version of Live (you cannot load you own patches - it is that - get me interested ...)
Then there should be a non-editor version that allows user to use stuff from others - what most here consider the RT ... maybe it should be the same price as M4L for Max users, as the indent is to use exactly the functionality that was added to Max for M4L. (that is what Max-owners pay I suppose)
And of course what is already coming ....
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Re: Max4Live, Max4live Lite, Max4Live R/T. Which one are you?

Post by 4/4 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:37 pm

Rave wrote:4/4 is going to go fooking mental reading this LOL

Expect to be called cretins etc :lol:
EH ?

how do you figure that ? There's nothing in this thread that is at odds with my views.


Anyways I didn't vote because the POLL only allows 1 vote and I'd have voted for all three.
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