Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

[alex.the.forge]

oh for farks sake

Diskowipe - I hate to be the one to point it out but without fail EVERY TIME this debate comes up the main bleeting twit going on about it says exactly the same things you have said in the same utterly predictable way, always going on about what a pro they are and usually quoting all the "pros" on Gearslutz, calling people who dispute their golden ears "fan boys" etc etc etc, ad bloody infinitum.

there are plenty of "pros" on this board, and the guys at Ableton haven't just built Live out of string and blu-tack, in fact rather a lot of thought has gone into it's development, and oddly enough sound quality factored in there somewhere. The arrogance and general twattiness you are spouting in your attitude and deriding people over their post counts etc etc would be offensive if it wasn't so entertaining.

Seriously, you saying "I can't believe people don't trust their ears" instantly displays your ignorance. Ears are notoriously unreliable - like the case where "audiophiles" or "pros" were asked to choose the best quality portable recorder by listening to 3 separate audio files on a website, and they all hands down picked the more expensive Sony, saying it sounded way better than the others, until it turned out the web admin had accidentally posted the same file twice and the files were identical.

No one has super ears, and even your GS friends and Ricardo are human. Just because you perceive them as important role models is not grounds to dismiss the opinions of the countless people, who have spent their working lives devoted to music and audio who totally disagree with these silly baseless claims.

I cut my teeth on early versions of Logic and just recently exported stems from Live to try mixing them in the new version Logic just to try it out, and in the end I gave up as I couldn't think of a single reason to go through all that bother. It just made no real substantial difference as far as I was concerned.

I normally wouldn't even participate in these stupid discussions any more.

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why's everyone giving Diskowipe shit ?
Seriously ?

He's not the one who started this turd thread, knowing full well what it would descend into.

[alex.the.forge]

why's everyone giving Diskowipe shit ?
Seriously ?.

... the main bleeting twit going on about it ....

[4/4]

so ? if it's such the trite topic of conversation that you make it out to be I'd be more concerned with the bellend who started the discussion rather than with anyone who has a strong opinion on the matter.

Seriously, leedsdick4brains links to an audio quality/ableton debate on gearslutz and diskowipe is the one getting shit ?

your insecure brand-whoring isn't even amusing. kindly carry on with the debate, or direct your mud slinging at the monkey who deserves it.

[dom]

so ? if it's such the trite topic of conversation that you make it out to be I'd be more concerned with the bellend who started the discussion rather than with anyone who has a strong opinion on the matter.

Seriously, leedsdick4brains links to an audio quality/ableton debate on gearslutz and diskowipe is the one getting shit ?

your insecure brand-whoring isn't even amusing. kindly carry on with the debate, or direct your mud slinging at the monkey who deserves it.

Please stop insulting others and edit the post, you know the game and i told you often enough.

[crumhorn]

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just butt in here to remind people about vst offline rendering mode. (google it)

It is a truly retarded design decision made by Steinberg.

Basically when a VST host does off line rendering it is to supposed to set a flag that tells the plugins to use their "best" rendering algorithm. Not all hosts support this and not all plugins respond to it. But many do and it can make a big difference between the real time and rendered versions. Including such idiocies as ignoring your polyphony limits and rendering with infinite polyphony.

IMO Most of the other things that people claim to hear can be put down to different sample rate conversion and automation damping algorithms. It's easy to see how quantisation noise and aliasing introduced by multiple sample rate converted tracks could accumulate across a mix. Whether or not it would be audible in a 16 bit master is another question. But Ableton do advise to use a specialised application for sample rate conversion. (What sample rate do Ableton use for the library content?)

Noise introduced by automation might be harder to ignore, But then Mr Henke has explained the engineering trade-offs involved with that. Maybe the amount of damping should be user selectable.

I would be amazed if any real project could ever be made to sound exactly the same on two different DAWs. So in the end it's always going to be a matter of taste. That is where the concept of a NULL test falls down, It's unrealistic and a non null result is not the same as saying DAW A is better that DAW B. It just shows that they are different, which is only to be expected.






edit:

Oh dear too late I guess.

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@dom
ya. and how's about you apply the rules unilaterally ?

you were posting in a thread last night where emissary was calling people Cunts. You didn't ask him to edit. Instead you deleted your own post from the thread. Why ?

[dom]

Because it was in the middle of the night in germany and i decided i don't have time to start a discussion and have to go to bed.
Thanks for your understanding.

You didn't edit it yet, should i take this as a refusal to my request?

[4/4]

BULLSHIT.

No one even paid attention to your post. You deleted it because you didn't want to be seen tacitly condoning people, besides myself, saying Cunt.

There's an obvious mob/brand-whore circle-jerk going on in the forum. And those people can post porn, swear, and pretty much do everything you expect me to edit for. the only difference is I'm not an Ableton cheer leader.

So do what you like, Mr Stasi. What difference will it make.

[alex.the.forge]

BULLSHIT.

No one even paid attention to your post. You deleted it because you didn't want to be seen tacitly condoning people, besides myself, saying Cunt.

There's an obvious mob/brand-whore circle-jerk going on in the forum. And those people can post porn, swear, and pretty much do everything you expect me to edit for. the only difference is I'm not an Ableton cheer leader.

So do what you like, Mr Stasi. What difference will it make.

and you come here why b0unce?

[tigali]

So do what you like, Mr Stasi.

Unbelievable. You're comparing a fairly lenient moderator (try any of your bullshit on boards.ie and they'll send someone around to your kids school at playtime) and the stasi.
Have a sit down and a nice cup of tea.

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And then he was gone --> http://forum.ableton.com/memberlist.php ... le&u=86361

[dom]

I'm very sorry that he always comes back using new accounts and keeps insulting people on a daily basis.
The possibility to do so is the downside of keeping the forum open instead of only letting registered costumers in - and we actually prefer the current solution a lot.

In order to keep it this way, everyone in this community should feel responsible not to fall for such trolling and insulting posts.
Ableton does not have a problem with different views and opinions, criticism etc. - this is what a forum is for, discussions! But only as long as the language is kept on a reasonable level and people solve their personal fight via PM. The public forum is not the right place for this.

Best,
Dom

[tigali]

Wow, it's like when someone gets zapped in Tron.

[LoopStationZebra]

And then he was gone --> http://forum.ableton.com/memberlist.php ... le&u=86361

The whole 'your a brand whore' thing was getting tedious and rather dull.







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