Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by shatzer » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:31 pm

in most cases people usually perceive louder as being better quality for some reason.

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by tigali » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:32 pm

leedsquietman wrote:Guess what ?? It sounds exactly the same .... EXACTLY THE SAME. Like not one slight difference at all. To me or any of the 7 people who listened to it.
Which would suggest there is no volume difference between Live and Logic. Or did you compensate for volume differences? If not then I'm still stumped. Why would my ears lie to me? I only feed them the best tunes :)

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by Tone Deft » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:32 pm

I win, you fail.

I was jacking the thread with ChiDJ. look at the timestamps, I hardly bumped it. you wrap a fail in a fail in a fail, it's a fail-tur-duck-en!!

awesome job getting more talk going about midi sync in Live. you had a good point there but didn't deliver. that made me sad. fuck it, works for me (for now <gulp>.)






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Post by knotkranky » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:06 pm

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Post by kb420 » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:16 pm

I wouldn't call that the perfect body. I like a girl with a little more cake than that. Something like this:


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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by shatzer » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:46 pm

amen to more cake!

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Post by ethios4 » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:58 pm

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:32 pm

Tone Deft wrote: awesome job getting more talk going about midi sync in Live. you had a good point there but didn't deliver. that made me sad.
I don't believe that for a moment, you're an attention whore, you turned the conversation towards yourself once again. You STOPPED the conversation on MIDI sync, so you could get attention, period. This is nothing new though... and I'm tired of feeding you, so go for it dude, you 'win'.

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by tigali » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:46 pm

You know, it seems diskowipe had a point. As soon as a serious discussion starts on real problems in Live (Midi sync, the percieved volume difference between Live and Logic) the conversation turns to soft porn and slagging matches. Any chance we could get some answers on the two issues? Why does Live "suck" in so many peoples opinion when it comes to Midi sync and is the volume difference between Live and Logic the only reason peoples ears are being "fooled" into thinking Logic sounds better?
And I hope bringing this stuff up won't affect my chances when I go for Ableton Trainer Certification next year. :)

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Post by leisuremuffin » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:04 pm

you have no idea what you're talking about. the reason the conversation turns to soft porn and slagging matches is because this has been gone over about a million times on this forum. Go ahead and search for it. It is completely unproductive because no one who claims to hear a difference is willing to present any proof other than that they are "pros" with golden ears.

The bottom line is this: if there is any difference in how different DAWs playback and mix audio it is on such a ridiculously microscopic level that no human being can fucking hear it. I'm just talking about playback and mixing of audio files here. i'm not talking about difference in hardware audio interface (PTHD for instance), sample rate conversion, warping, quality of built in effects, none of that. That is all certainly up for debate. But no rational person with even the most basic understanding of digital audio is going to try to argue that there is a clearly audible difference in mix and playback between DAWs. It is completely ridiculous and not worth anything other than posts of soft core porn and all caps messages telling the trolls that are propagating this nonsense to shut the fuck up and have their genitals chewed off by angry badgers.



anyway, want to talk about midi timing? I suggest you do that in a thread that is about that. This one isn't. read the title.


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Post by Tone Deft » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:21 pm

tigali wrote:And I hope bringing this stuff up won't affect my chances when I go for Ableton Trainer Certification next year. :)
/facepalm

I most certainly hope it does. it's an argument that only a n00b DAW user would bring up. it's a common debate that's never been substantiated. if you've been around this stuff for a while you'd know that. re-read the thread, the horse is dead, everyone from typical users to Live developers have chimed in and you missed all the information you need. now you have to go learn why it's a retarded argument, seriously, you should. you as a trainer? christ. :roll:

here's a clue for you kid, I posted a picture of a chick because she's far more interesting to talk about than this dramatical poo flinging bullshit. get it?
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Post by evernaut » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:09 pm

leisuremuffin wrote: The bottom line is this: if there is any difference in how different DAWs playback and mix audio it is on such a ridiculously microscopic level that no human being can fucking hear it. I'm just talking about playback and mixing of audio files here. i'm not talking about difference in hardware audio interface (PTHD for instance), sample rate conversion, warping, quality of built in effects, none of that. That is all certainly up for debate. But no rational person with even the most basic understanding of digital audio is going to try to argue that there is a clearly audible difference in mix and playback between DAWs.
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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by shatzer » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:24 pm

I asked a friend of mine who was a graduate at Berklee Music, and he said his teacher explained to him that there was a slight difference in the sounds of other programs simply because of the way the numbers are crunched. The algorithms are all different, despite doing the same function. im sure the bounce algorithm is different in every single program. different dither, different way to take what you’re listening to and cut it.
The plugins are obvious. even if its third party, i dont think data would go in and out the EXACT same between 2 programs.
Some people claim to be able to tell the difference. apparently logic sounds better for hip hop (it certainly has better midi control). paramore’s RIOT was recorded on cubase, and that album sounds incredible.
The fact that it’s software means there are algorithms that programmers design particular to each software. It’s more obvious when you’re going from something real cheap like Cool Edit Pro to something more standardized (Protools, Cubase, Logic, etc). In all honesty, your converters matter way more as does virtually everything else in the signal chain. Mic placement, room sound, pre amps, mics, etc.. are really all you should be worrying about and then the software. If you cant record with what you got anyway then the sound of a software program isn't going to matter.

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by evernaut » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:27 am

leisuremuffin wrote: But no rational person...is going to try to argue that there is a clearly audible difference in mix and playback between DAWs.

You'd think not, eh?

You'd think that musicians and producers and engineers would be content now with the FUCKING AMAZING shit we have at our fingertips in the 21st century?

You'd think that we had better things to do like be creative & make music?

You'd think that knowing full well that 99% of the people that subsequently hear and enjoy that music couldn't give a flying fuck how it was recorded we'd just get on with it and stop ball-aching?

You'd think that arguments about things that nobody can conclusively prove...even when given ample opportunites to do so...would burn themselves out eventually?

You'd think that understanding some well established engineering practices that have enabled sound technicians to work their magic for many years would help people to see the light?

But no, here we are still obsessing about this nonsense again and again.

And the worst part is that if this behemoth of a thread ever dies, someone else will post a new one in its place and this whole sorry sack of shit will start afresh.

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Re: Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

Post by starving student » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:01 am

you guys can try to fool folks all you want, the audio quality thing is always subjective and I'll agree within most complaints is not substantiated enough but the Midi sync Issue is real motherf?#@*&%r
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