Hardware sampler for creative sampling

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:52 am

Wow? that's a really good price for a CMI! 8O

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by alex.the.forge » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:52 am

SubFunk wrote:
aeon_flux wrote:
PLacidBasilisk wrote: (I was amazed at how much better my beat making abilities became once I invested in a drum pad)
i did the same investment. that's true but i don't think investing in old bulky floppy based piece of hardware will be better than investing in live's sampler...
:D , yeah i think the same... when it comes to sampling hardware is the greatest pain into the ass ever.
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yeah trying to work with that little LCD screen + knobs would drive you mad in no time after you;re used to computers

they have been totally superseded IMO

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by 33tetragammon » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:04 am

PLacidBasilisk wrote:Thanks for all the feedback so far. I am slightly skeptical about whether I actually need a hardware sampler since I already have Ableton's sampler and Absynth 4, which has some pretty nice sampling capabilities. With this in mind, maybe the suggestion that I set a hardware controller up to control my sampler is a good one. At the moment all I've got is the Korg nano kontrol/key/pad. Is there much I can do with those three? What else is worth looking at? And no one has mentioned the Kaoss Pad yet. Not recommended?
you know,Absynth 5 is like going down the rabbit hole when it comes to mangling samples,i use it all the time.

Kontakt is also really,really powerful in that regard,with those zone envelopes and huge modulation capabilities(like having lfo's modulate a reverb send,have envelopes modulate the bitrate on a bitcrusher...you get the idea......)

sampler is also good,but not as powerful in my opinion(doesn't have any "granular"mode).that being said,when i reach for sampler,it's because sometimes i just want to quickly get things going without getting lost in all those possibilities that Absynth&Kontakt offer.

Kaosspad 3 is really great for capturing short phrases etc,lay effects on top of that,resample that,but doesn't have the versatility and deepness like the above mentioned.

hope that helps.....

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by sinnatagg » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:30 am

As an owner of an old, crappy sampler, here's a couple of things you might want to keep in mind.

- You'll want a model that is at least fully loaded with memory. Suitable upgrades are impossible to find even if they're supposed to be standard.
- Keep in mind how the samples can be transferred. Both midi and floppies are incredibly slow. Floppies are unreliable. SCSI is nice in theory but often fails in practice and is expensive in every way too. CD's are nice if you can be bothered to burn them. The number of samplers with USB connections can be counted on one hand.
- The interface is going to take some time getting used to even if it is one of the good ones.

On the upside, lots of hardware samplers are a pleasure to work with soundwise, and when it is filled up with your own sounds it's like having your own unique instrument. Taking backups of the unit is usually an unholy pain though.


-a

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by aeon_flux » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:32 pm

PLacidBasilisk wrote:Thanks for all the feedback so far. I am slightly skeptical about whether I actually need a hardware sampler since I already have Ableton's sampler and Absynth 4, which has some pretty nice sampling capabilities. With this in mind, maybe the suggestion that I set a hardware controller up to control my sampler is a good one. At the moment all I've got is the Korg nano kontrol/key/pad. Is there much I can do with those three? What else is worth looking at? And no one has mentioned the Kaoss Pad yet. Not recommended?
kaoss pad sampling capabilities are quite weak (sample volume, one shot / loop, a little bit of chopping, sample offset). much less than simpler which is free. :) on the other hand as combination of f/x and basic sampling in one box it can give exceptional workflow and similiar to live can be used as an "instrument":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39n4wow8fWE

you can't really compare those. live simpler/sampler replaces real device samplers from the old days. kp3 is different beast - combination of multi effect, 4 bank basic sampler, very basic synth and drum machine, midi controller and innovative interface.

i would rather look for a universal live midi controller rather than "just for sampler". i can recommend apc40 (as a korg zero4 owner and classic mixer workflow lover i was so sceptical about that controller... borrowed it from shop and didn't give back after one day of testing).

if you thinking about buying kp3 for effects/live sampling it will give you also midi controlling abilities, but in that mode sampler and f/x is unavialable, no multitouch also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvz8BX2Y5go
real knob, fader, 1+8+4 buttons and few virtual faders should satisfy your midi controlling needs for some time.

please check also those two videos showing sampler features:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Wityxkkjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Rk0nKWo2Y

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by Nick the Zombie » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:32 pm

33tetragammon wrote: you know,Absynth 5 is like going down the rabbit hole when it comes to mangling samples,i use it all the time.
Just picked Absynth 5 up recently, and it's so so so fantastic with sample destruction... I remember the hardware sampler days and I'm quite happy that they're over. There was nothing creatively inspiring whatsoever about sitting around waiting for a multiple-floppy disk soundbank to load, disk by disk. That's not to say that there weren't some gems, but nothing that's got me pining for yesteryear.

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by 33tetragammon » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:23 pm

Nick the Zombie wrote:
33tetragammon wrote: you know,Absynth 5 is like going down the rabbit hole when it comes to mangling samples,i use it all the time.
Just picked Absynth 5 up recently, and it's so so so fantastic with sample destruction... I remember the hardware sampler days and I'm quite happy that they're over. There was nothing creatively inspiring whatsoever about sitting around waiting for a multiple-floppy disk soundbank to load, disk by disk. That's not to say that there weren't some gems, but nothing that's got me pining for yesteryear.
hey Nick,

did you ever try out Camel Audio's Alchemy?i think its absolutely amazing for sample manipulation/resynthesis.
it complements Absynth 5 really well.

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by contakt321 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:58 pm

Nick the Zombie wrote:I remember the hardware sampler days and I'm quite happy that they're over. There was nothing creatively inspiring whatsoever about sitting around waiting for a multiple-floppy disk soundbank to load, disk by disk. That's not to say that there weren't some gems, but nothing that's got me pining for yesteryear.
100% Agree!

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by Nick the Zombie » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:21 pm

33tetragammon wrote:
Nick the Zombie wrote:
33tetragammon wrote: you know,Absynth 5 is like going down the rabbit hole when it comes to mangling samples,i use it all the time.
Just picked Absynth 5 up recently, and it's so so so fantastic with sample destruction... I remember the hardware sampler days and I'm quite happy that they're over. There was nothing creatively inspiring whatsoever about sitting around waiting for a multiple-floppy disk soundbank to load, disk by disk. That's not to say that there weren't some gems, but nothing that's got me pining for yesteryear.
hey Nick,

did you ever try out Camel Audio's Alchemy?i think its absolutely amazing for sample manipulation/resynthesis.
it complements Absynth 5 really well.
I haven't checked it out too much other than a cursory runthrough of the interface, but even that was enough to tell me that it's an amazing piece of software. I don't dare get too deeply into it right now since Absynth and Massive (my new toys) are wanting some quality time and I don't want to get too distracted!

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by v00d00ppl » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:16 pm

e-mu e6400

http://cgi.ebay.com/EMU-E6400-SAMPLER-W ... 3ca85f4112

or you can get the software version

emulator x3......its a bitch to learn, but once you read the manual and go through the tutorials its fun as hell. I would highly recommend getting a quad core system for it. The filters are dope


e-mu emax II....16 bit sampler w/ curtis analog filter......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyLNnKBwMY

and just a random sp-1200 video in german:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD5_EwpGFU

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by hurlingdervish » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:20 pm

i have a massive library of loops and weird sounds thanks to
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using a kp3 as a sampler and not an effect is HIGHLY underrated. it even has some fine looping times in a couple of the sampler modes to make some granular basslines

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by crofter » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:28 pm

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by astromass » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:35 pm

i use a roland sp-404sx and a kp3....simply amazing expressiveness
nyquist theorem and nyquil...

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by filterstein » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:03 pm

use them only as fx; 12 bit sounds different then resampling in live.
s950 sounds metallic, not crunchy like an sp1200
one thing that stands out are the types with analog filters.
not the emax two, that's good but not analog.
emax I or EII/EIII are, plus the prophet 2000/2002/3000.
the korg dss1 is the filter king, but a bitch to use.
Would use those only if vintage string or pad sounds are what you want and short loops are no problem for you.

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Re: Hardware sampler for creative sampling

Post by v00d00ppl » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:34 pm

filterstein wrote:use them only as fx; 12 bit sounds different then resampling in live.
s950 sounds metallic, not crunchy like an sp1200
one thing that stands out are the types with analog filters.
not the emax two, that's good but not analog.
emax I or EII/EIII are, plus the prophet 2000/2002/3000.
the korg dss1 is the filter king, but a bitch to use.
Would use those only if vintage string or pad sounds are what you want and short loops are no problem for you.
what??? IU thought the emax ii also had a curtis low pass filter....i remember reading about it on vintagesynth.com

must be a typo then....thanks for saving me three hundred bucks

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