check out the schwarzonator

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by D K » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:50 am

perhaps the negative reactions are the result of fear- if we loose ourselves to technology, do we loose our history and creativity if the power goes out? that's extreme, of course, but there you have it.... it's such a huge turning point right now.
scary and awesome at the same time...

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Slightlydelic » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:29 am

D K wrote:perhaps the negative reactions are the result of fear- if we loose ourselves to technology, do we loose our history and creativity if the power goes out? that's extreme, of course, but there you have it.... it's such a huge turning point right now.
scary and awesome at the same time...
yup, technology isnt liberating us atall, its enslaving us.

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Machinate » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:42 am

Slightlydelic wrote:
D K wrote:perhaps the negative reactions are the result of fear- if we loose ourselves to technology, do we loose our history and creativity if the power goes out? that's extreme, of course, but there you have it.... it's such a huge turning point right now.
scary and awesome at the same time...
yup, technology isnt liberating us atall, its enslaving us.
not liberating *at all*? Please elaborate... I find myself intertwined with technology; at times a major hurdle, but mostly it's incredibly liberating.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Zerobae » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:42 am

i find it a bit disheartening to see so many narrow minded comments here, in what should be an open minded community given our common purpose and tool(s).

zakary said it well..
That is some nice attitude on his behalf, no ego at all, unlike many many other people that are not even half way there.
or maybe i'm just in a shitty mood today, who knows...

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by ernene » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:01 am

bicarbone wrote:another clever invention allowing you stay dumb...
Yep! Who need this when you can learn to just PLAY music!

It's like having a software that wraps audio making a song fit on tempo, when you can use a turntable and use your ears!

Wait! Why use PITCH on a turntable when we can use our fingers?!

C'mon guys... ideas are good, this is a great one. You do not have to use it if you don't want to... is it that hard to accept?

I do not understand you guys, some times...

(sorry bicarbone, I used you as an example...that's all)

Cheers

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Slightlydelic » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:22 am

Machinate wrote:
Slightlydelic wrote:
D K wrote:perhaps the negative reactions are the result of fear- if we loose ourselves to technology, do we loose our history and creativity if the power goes out? that's extreme, of course, but there you have it.... it's such a huge turning point right now.
scary and awesome at the same time...
yup, technology isnt liberating us atall, its enslaving us.
not liberating *at all*? Please elaborate... I find myself intertwined with technology; at times a major hurdle, but mostly it's incredibly liberating.

just in so far as i think technology liberating us is a paradox, we become reliant on technology and you cant rely on it and be liberated. with reliance you become a slave to technology not a master.

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by davepermen » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:08 pm

Slightlydelic wrote: just in so far as i think technology liberating us is a paradox, we become reliant on technology and you cant rely on it and be liberated. with reliance you become a slave to technology not a master.
yes. then again, anyone playing an instrument is reliant on that instrument to exist. i can play guitar. without a guitar, i'm lost.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by stringtapper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:02 pm

Oh ease up, I was just quipping. Nobody can accuse me of not liking technology in music or being open to evolving definitions of music and musical instruments. Hell, here's a stupid little M4L device of mine that plays itself (another typical Max implementation):

http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=135

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by stringtapper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:15 pm

And it is a cool patch.

Big javascript component, ew. :x

I've really got to learn that mess some day.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by UKRuss » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:14 am

To me it's sad and an official endrosement by Ableton of what i suspected for a while now....real musicians aren't really where Ableton realises it can sell it's shizz.

I don't care how much of a non-musician you are, who the hell doesn't know what Fmaj7 is? It takes less than half an hour to learn chord construction. In fact fuck it I am going to do it for you in this thread and call my method:

The Russanator:

The formula for the major scale is the following intervals

Whole tone, whole tone, half tone, whole tone, whole tone, whole tone, half tone.

Take the chromatic scale and start on any note and apply this formula to get the major scale:

C C# D D# E F F# G G# A Bb B C

Let's start on C.

apply the wwhwwwh formula you get:

C D E F G A B C

C major scale.

To harmonise this scale to get your chords simply stack in 3rds. i.e take a note then the third note and the fifth note and you get your chords in the key of C major.

So start on C, add E and now G. (Root, 3rd, 5th) This is the chord of C major

Then go to the next note and do the same:

D F A, this is the chord of Dminor.

When you have done them all you will have the following chords

Cmaj,Dmin, Emin, Fmaj, Gmaj, Aminor, Bdim

This applies to all major keys:

major, minor, minor, major, major, minor, dim

But, what happens if we add another note to the chords? the next third up?

lets take F major

We get F A C and now E.

Guess what? we call this Fmaj7

Apply this to all chords and you get:

Cmaj7, Dmin7, Emin7, Fmaj7, G7, Amin7, Bmin7b5

This chord sequence applies to all major keys regardless of which key you are in.

Now you know The Russanator, that will be 250 euros please, apologies for the lack of GUI.


I am not impressed with M4L, I have seen shit all that makes it worth the cost.

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by telekom » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:43 pm

Machinate wrote:WWDDD? (What Would Delia Derbyshire Do?)
Indeed! She would probably spend months inventing and building a machine the size of a room which made a noise like an aircraft carrier sinking.

Nice guide Russ, I needed that when I was 13 and struggling to understand basic guitar and music theory...
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by davepermen » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:28 pm

UKRuss wrote:To me it's sad and an official endrosement by Ableton of what i suspected for a while now....real musicians aren't really where Ableton realises it can sell it's shizz.

I don't care how much of a non-musician you are, who the hell doesn't know what Fmaj7 is? It takes less than half an hour to learn chord construction. In fact fuck it I am going to do it for you in this thread and call my method:

The Russanator:

The formula for the major scale is the following intervals

Whole tone, whole tone, half tone, whole tone, whole tone, whole tone, half tone.

Take the chromatic scale and start on any note and apply this formula to get the major scale:

C C# D D# E F F# G G# A Bb B C

Let's start on C.

apply the wwhwwwh formula you get:

C D E F G A B C

C major scale.

To harmonise this scale to get your chords simply stack in 3rds. i.e take a note then the third note and the fifth note and you get your chords in the key of C major.

So start on C, add E and now G. (Root, 3rd, 5th) This is the chord of C major

Then go to the next note and do the same:

D F A, this is the chord of Dminor.

When you have done them all you will have the following chords

Cmaj,Dmin, Emin, Fmaj, Gmaj, Aminor, Bdim

This applies to all major keys:

major, minor, minor, major, major, minor, dim

But, what happens if we add another note to the chords? the next third up?

lets take F major

We get F A C and now E.

Guess what? we call this Fmaj7

Apply this to all chords and you get:

Cmaj7, Dmin7, Emin7, Fmaj7, G7, Amin7, Bmin7b5

This chord sequence applies to all major keys regardless of which key you are in.

Now you know The Russanator, that will be 250 euros please, apologies for the lack of GUI.


I am not impressed with M4L, I have seen shit all that makes it worth the cost.
well, and on an ordinary keyboard, you still have to know how to press each of those coords, as the layout is not regular structured. and then you have to learn to be 100% sure not never hit a wrong key.

instead, you could remove them, and make a linear button row that each is the needed coord.

why do manually work all the time to get the stuff going the way you want it, if you could sit down once, clean it up, and from then on not be able to do errors anymore?

that's what we have pc's for: to make our life more easy, and then, maybe progress.

i'm sure you won't agree on that, and thanks for the explanation. but, simple said: to each it's own.

and M4L is great, as it allows "to each it's own". nothing for you, maybe, but that doesn't matter.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Dennis DeSantis » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:32 pm

Hi folks,

It's interesting to see the various opinions about this device. What's especially interesting is that this discussion has been had before, many times...

- when the first affordable analog synths arrived, people complained that they would replace instrumentalists
- when the first affordable drum machines arrived, people complained that they would replace drummers
- when the first affordable orchestral sample collections arrived, people complained that they would replace orchestras
- when CD and mp3 DJing arrived, people complained that it would replace vinyl

All of this was true. Also, none of it was true.

New music took advantage of new technologies. Old music kept going as it always had.

Ableton makes tools, and Max for Live provides a catalyst for more tool making. This is an apolitical position.

Best,

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by davepermen » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:34 pm

or in short "to each it's own" :)
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Zerobae » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:56 pm

Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

It's interesting to see the various opinions about this device. What's especially interesting is that this discussion has been had before, many times...

- when the first affordable analog synths arrived, people complained that they would replace instrumentalists
- when the first affordable drum machines arrived, people complained that they would replace drummers
- when the first affordable orchestral sample collections arrived, people complained that they would replace orchestras
- when CD and mp3 DJing arrived, people complained that it would replace vinyl

All of this was true. Also, none of it was true.

New music took advantage of new technologies. Old music kept going as it always had.

Ableton makes tools, and Max for Live provides a catalyst for more tool making. This is an apolitical position.

Best,
all true, but that's why it's all the more frustrating to find this lack of vision on a forum dedicated to ableton live, which in itself was/is as revolutionary as the tools you mentioned...

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