The Schwarzonator is stupid

[john gordon]

all you haters eat big juicy dick for breakfast and the original poster takes it up his rump by all you haters.carry on children.

[rbmonosylabik]

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132444

[djsynchro]

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[Rave]

They will eventually learn that learning music theory and developing the chords and scales that you as a person like is integral to creating art rather than elevator music (which is what his stuff sounds like)

But maybe he likes elevator music? so its all personal opinion really.

I am the king of elevator music

[d-track]

whats the big difference between live scale plugin placed on midi tracks and schwarzonator?

[ze2be]

Macs, and also cracks are cheating.

[glitchrock-buddha]

This talk of cheating implies that making music is some kind of competition, which I think we can all agree it is not.

Me personally I'm not a fan of something like the Schwartzonator, because I find actually playing music much more rewarding than having it automated. At least in the composition stage I want to have full control over what notes are being played and not leave it up to an algorithm. (Of course later I fire clips and such because it's physically impossible to play all those parts at once for a full song).

But if someone wants to do that, and it's enjoyable, then all the power to them. What other purpose is there other than to enjoy it? I do think that using something like this is denying oneself a potentially greater satisfaction of actually playing music rather than triggering it though. But, there's no cheating about it. Just a matter of you getting out of it what you put in.

[leedsquietman]

If kids don't want to learn how to play music then using tons of samples and devices like Schwarzenator gives them an option to have fun and play.

Although I play various instruments myself and would never use such a device, there are plenty who don't. We're in an age where virtually no-one is making a successful living from music anyway, so hating on DJs and kids who can't play but know how to co-ordinate some loops together into a banging tune is so old school anyway. Music means different things to different people. Like driving a car - I will happily confess to being totally useless and stupid when it comes to mechanics, I know where the washer fluid and brake fluid goes and that's about it. Do I have to be a registered mechanic to drive ? No. I love driving, even though I am a mechanical buffoon

[halley]

I'd like to throw there just a couple of questions...

Is making music more about performing it
or more about composing it?

Is djing more about beatmatching
or more about music selection?

In other words... and to make it more general,
is making music more about the technique, the performance, the physical experience or more about the taste, the sound, the mental experience?

Most would probably agree that it's about both...
It's how you balance them...
Music history is filled with people
weighting both in vastly different ways.
Arguing or using the words stupid to describe some...
just because they don't share your P.O.V.
now that's probably stupid!
Why should someone worry of some other
if he/she defines 'stupid' what the other does?
Do they feel somehow threatened?

Don't tell others why and/or how they should
make their music. Don't tell others what music they
should listen to...
Make the music you want in any way you want...
Listen to the music you want...
Enjoy it!

In other words...
Live and let live. (any ableton related pun unintended...)




Also...
How important is it your knowledge of western music
when you try playing and exploring scales different
from western ones? Ever heard about microtuning?
Ever tried alternative tunings?



P.S.
just for those that label easily...
have played piano and violin since elementary school... studied percussions for a few years a bit older... have experience of 'old school' djing with two/three SL-1200 and/or CDJs and a mixer... earn my living programming websites and perfoming music.
always been a nobody in music industry, always enjoyed continuing to compose and play music.


just my 2 cents...
cheers

[davepermen]

yeah.. to each its own fits the best. i personally don't use any prebought samples or what ever, i produce all my sound trough operator and such. that way i have the feeling it's "mine". and i still honour everyone creating cool sounding stuff based on samples, or just cut'n'paste of some famous tracks for some mashup. i don't care how others work. if it sounds good, they did something right.

[julienb]

for some reason i find it really appalling, why write/perform music if you cant take the time to learn basic chords.

if you don't like this patch, don't use it

[Gab]

Meet Piano Hero!

[Icaro Ferre]

I just think that if you take that connection between the patches and focus only on the master one you can easily re-create the same thing using the Midi Effects on Live so it's not one of the best M4L patches I've seen

[JAMM]

so then overall midi sequencing and programming is also cheating? hahaha
Take a 8 track taperecorder and start recording the old way!

[julienb]

so then overall midi sequencing and programming is also cheating? hahaha
Take a 8 track taperecorder and start recording the old way!

+1

technology is stupid