Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by xzusa8ky » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:31 pm

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by Cool Character » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:00 pm

One great sign that you're getting older:

You start to accept no-good music as "just another generation's."
Is it really that you've resigned your own shit-detector? Have you given up on music altogether, leaving it for someone younger, with more willpower to deal with? I dunno, man... If fucking Greenday can have the mind to be relevant today, I don't see why anyone here's sense of music needs to lose its grip.

That is, unless you let it, and give up.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by deckme(N)tal » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:41 pm

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by Action Jackson » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:37 pm

Cool Character wrote:One great sign that you're getting older:

You start to accept no-good music as "just another generation's".
Yes, I believe that is my problem here. IMO Dr. Dre is probably the best hip hop producer out there at the moment, but since NWA nothing as good as NWA has come out. Well, OK, Snoop is good and I have a lot of respect for him. I even dig Cypress Hill, but they were hot already in the 90's but now, not so much. All the artists mentioned so far have been good, but what's lacking is danger. Onyx and Wu Tang Clan were alright, but no one stood up to fight them. Being good technically is one thing, being a force to be reckoned with is totally different! Is there anything the so called conservatives are worried about? By that I mean something totally politically incorrect and something that conservatives want to ban altogether?

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by starving student » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:37 pm

you better hope Obama makes a record then cause there isn't anything else.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by contakt321 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:01 pm

Action Jackson wrote:
Cool Character wrote:One great sign that you're getting older:

You start to accept no-good music as "just another generation's".
Yes, I believe that is my problem here. IMO Dr. Dre is probably the best hip hop producer out there at the moment, but since NWA nothing as good as NWA has come out.

Pssstttt: That's because DJ Yella did the beats for NWA

Just like Warren G did the beats for the Chronic and Doggystyle, and Melman, Lord Finesse and a few others did the beats for Chronic 2001 (w/ Mike Elizondo and few others replaying parts of records).

Dre is more of the classic style of producer, than how we think of hip-hop producers.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by starving student » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:08 pm

i trust you've heard yellas stuff since...... :(

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by contakt321 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:16 pm

starving student wrote:i trust you've heard yellas stuff since...... :(
Do you mean the porn movies? Haven't seen them.

I haven't really checked for him other since the last Eazy E record and the Bone Thugs stuff.

On the subject of falling off: KRS-One hasn't made a good album in the last 10 years - just putting that out there for those that mention him in a "current" context. Nice dude, but, unfortunately, his new work is a caricature of his former work.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by v00d00ppl » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:38 pm

contakt321 wrote:
starving student wrote:i trust you've heard yellas stuff since...... :(
Do you mean the porn movies? Haven't seen them.

I haven't really checked for him other since the last Eazy E record and the Bone Thugs stuff.

On the subject of falling off: KRS-One hasn't made a good album in the last 10 years - just putting that out there for those that mention him in a "current" context. Nice dude, but, unfortunately, his new work is a caricature of his former work.
That's because the five greatest emcees are

5. Dylan
4. Dylan
3. Dylan
2. Dylan

1. Dylan


"I'm not saying I'm number one. I'm sorry I lied. I'm number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5"-blastmaster KRS

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by contakt321 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:58 pm

v00d00ppl wrote:
That's because the five greatest emcees are

5. Dylan
4. Dylan
3. Dylan
2. Dylan

1. Dylan
YES!

3 Points for an amazing Making the Band reference.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by ethios4 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:55 pm

contakt321 wrote:On the subject of falling off: KRS-One hasn't made a good album in the last 10 years - just putting that out there for those that mention him in a "current" context. Nice dude, but, unfortunately, his new work is a caricature of his former work.
Oh man I disagree! Sneak Attack, Keep Right, and Life are excellent albums IMO, although the production quality is pretty low, except for maybe Life. Maybe it's perspective though...I started with those and worked backwards. Not as ground-breaking as earlier stuff, but the lyrical content is top-notch.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by contakt321 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:06 pm

ethios4 wrote:
contakt321 wrote:On the subject of falling off: KRS-One hasn't made a good album in the last 10 years - just putting that out there for those that mention him in a "current" context. Nice dude, but, unfortunately, his new work is a caricature of his former work.
Oh man I disagree! Sneak Attack, Keep Right, and Life are excellent albums IMO, although the production quality is pretty low, except for maybe Life. Maybe it's perspective though...I started with those and worked backwards. Not as ground-breaking as earlier stuff, but the lyrical content is top-notch.
Question: Did he say anything on those 3 albums that he didn't say in the prior decade?
Question: Do the beats on those records stand up to the beats from his albums in the prior decade?

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by ethios4 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:21 pm

Question: Did he say anything on those 3 albums that he didn't say in the prior decade?
YES!
Question: Do the beats on those records stand up to the beats from his albums in the prior decade?
NO!

Unfortunately (to me at least) the bulk of what he does now is about trying to make HipHop a religion.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by ethios4 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:27 pm

Well, maybe he isn't saying much new, but he goes into much more depth, which I appreciate.

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Re: Hip Hop ain't what it used to be!

Post by oblique strategies » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:30 am

v00d00ppl wrote: That's because the five greatest emcees are

5. Dylan
4. Dylan
3. Dylan
2. Dylan

1. Dylan


"I'm not saying I'm number one. I'm sorry I lied. I'm number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5"-blastmaster KRS
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