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 Post subject: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:39 am 

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Has anyone here ever used the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller? I would like to know if I can set the TAP TEMPO up via the foot controller when I am performing live with a band (with a drummer)and tap the beat to that of the drummer? I also would like to know if it is possible in using the foot controller to activate Ableton Live 8 during parts of a song. Say for example I want some horns to come in at a certain part of the song. I want to know if I can program the foot controller to assist me in setting up the tempo as well as click on the horn part during a certain part of the song? Thanks for your time in this matter.
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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:57 am 

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Without getting into specifics you can use the FCB to do as you wish. There are some very lengthy threads with tons of info on the FCB, some of which touch on reprogramming it so that it sends note on/off messages that work well with Live when launching clips etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:07 pm 

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Outwest 2008 wrote:
Has anyone here ever used the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller?



Dude. Did you even LOOK for the SEARCH button. lol. wtf! :P

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:25 pm 

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I only just got one at Xmas but yes you can do all that.

the manual is pretty bad, watching this video got me off the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yUKWpTQeY

it's easy to program but tedious because it involves holding down a pedal for 2.5 seconds to enter and exit programming mode.

one place I got hosed is that I put it into a midi chain between a sequencer and my SL25. the sequencer being on the input locks the thing up when I turn it on. so, disconnect the input when you turn it on. I haven't had time to figure just what was going on.

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:59 pm 

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Outwest 2008 wrote:
Has anyone here ever used the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller? I would like to know if I can set the TAP TEMPO up via the foot controller when I am performing live with a band (with a drummer)and tap the beat to that of the drummer? I also would like to know if it is possible in using the foot controller to activate Ableton Live 8 during parts of a song. Say for example I want some horns to come in at a certain part of the song. I want to know if I can program the foot controller to assist me in setting up the tempo as well as click on the horn part during a certain part of the song? Thanks for your time in this matter.
Tony


First let me say that the previous poster whose reply is "wtf" obviously doesn't care enough about you or anybody else to give a considerate response. If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything.

Second, yes what you're trying to do is definitely possible. I have done exactly what you're describing and have learned what works and what doesn't, or at least very well. You should actually search through the forums for the FCB1010 and you'll get a lot of results. One thing you should definitely get is the software editor that all the complainers don't seem to know anything about. It makes programming so much easier. You simply click on the panel click whether you want a CC or note or whatever and when you're done you dump the SysEx back to the pedal. Second thing you might consider, is that at least one person has figured out how to do the global programming for the pedal. Ableton Live is not very clear on how to do this but it uses text files which appear to be compiled as .py or .pyc type files that apply the same MIDI signal from your pedal no matter what set you're playing. However, when I installed an earlier version, it seemed to work, but when I looked at my log file it was overloaded with errors trying to read a text file that apparently doesn't exist.

It might be easier to program the pedal yourself using the software editor. There is one for Windows and I believe one for a Mac but I don't use a Mac. If you can't find it by searching I will try to locate it for you. Open the software editor and click on the first pedal, set the CC to 00 with a value of 127, click the next pedal set the CC to 01 with a value of 127, etc. then after you save that to the pedal, open up your Live set and click the MIDI button and you will see some additional buttons available, in the session view of course, at the bottom of the Scene track. There is a play button and up and down buttons that allow you to move up and down the scenes in the set and launch them. So just program one of the buttons on your pedal to move up, one to move down, and one to launch the scene. Then simply put the various clips you want to launch in different scenes or rows. It does take some extra concentration to remember to move down to the next scene and launch it at precisely the right time, and then you have to play your music at exactly the same tempo. You could also program another button to use the tap tempo feature, but if you try to use this to launch, it will only launch the first scene in the set. You can use tap tempo after the clip is running but as I have discovered, you MUST start your tap tempo on the downbeat of the measure or it really screws up the music.

So it can be done, and it can be a bit of a pain, so I'm going to be testing out using the In-Time software which will allow Live to follow along with me while playing in realtime, rather than the other way around. There is a free software called B-keeper, but I have discovered that it has only been proven to work on a Mac and not in Windows.


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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:09 pm 

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omega13lives wrote:
First let me say that the previous poster whose reply is "wtf" obviously doesn't care enough about you or anybody else to give a considerate response. If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything.


I disagree with you, and agree with LSZ.

Particularly when the subject is the FCB1010. A little bit of searching goes a long way.

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:15 pm 

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omega13lives wrote:

First let me say that the previous poster whose reply is "wtf" obviously doesn't care enough about you or anybody else to give a considerate response. If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything.



Seriously? You're going to call me out? What a dick.

I lol'd. I gave a razz emoticon. My post was done with a touch of humour, but also with serious intent. There are DOZENS of EXCELLENT fcb threads here. The point was that it couldn't hurt to do a simple search.

I think I'm going to start a thread now called "Has anyone used the Launchpad?"

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:58 pm 

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LoopStationZebra wrote:

Seriously? You're going to call me out? What a dick.

I lol'd. I gave a razz emoticon. My post was done with a touch of humour, but also with serious intent. There are DOZENS of EXCELLENT fcb threads here. The point was that it couldn't hurt to do a simple search.

I think I'm going to start a thread now called "Has anyone used the Launchpad?"

:P


Since you apparently don't care about helping people, why do you bother to reply? Just to annoy people? "calling you out"? If that's all it takes to get you ready to fight, I don't ever want to meet you.


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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:51 pm 

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omega13lives wrote:
First let me say that the previous poster whose reply is "wtf" obviously doesn't care enough about you or anybody else to give a considerate response. If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything.
Hahaha, let's see how you feel after typing out your lengthy response several times to different people who won't be bothered with using the search function. :wink:

@ OP - I'd recommend looking into the UnO firmware upgrade for the FCB1010
http://www.ossandust.be/
It allows for using the a software-based patch editor, and also enables 'stomp-box' mode, which can be quite helpful. The FCB1010 is great for triggering clips in Live, turning effects on/off, etc. I don't know how well it would work for tap-tempo, since the buttons require a good amount of force to push.

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:22 pm 

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When I was first gettin into ableton and gotz me a FCB somebody posted the following up for me... I was able to set up my FCB and do all that I was hoping except delete clips.

The peeps on this forum are hands down the most helpful mofos.

Is the OP even reading this shit?

:)


First off--global settings. This is where you make choices that
effect all of your patches (patch=preset). Midi devices send and
recieve midi data on midi channels. there are 16 midi channels
availible to any midi device, no more no less. think of these like tv
channels, If Live is "watching" midi channel 1 for midi info, midi
data sent to live from 1010 on midi channel 6 won't be recieved. One
difference in the midi world and the tv analogy is that some midi
devices (or midi software, Live included) "listen" for midi info on
all 16 channels (often called omni mode). Back to the 1010 global--it
is here that you set up what midi channel different midi commands are
sent on (for example you could assing one exp pedal to always send 
info on midi channel 5, and exp pedal B to always send on midi
channel 16). However, for simplification and ease of use, you want to
set it up co that all midi data is sent on one channel. Here's how:
hold "down" for a few seconds while powering up. This enters global
setup mode. If the light on footswitch 10/0 is lit, press it and hold
for a second to make the light go away. The reason for this is as
follows. There are two ways to select patches on the 1010-direct
select or bank mode. Direct select means that you simply "type" the
patch number with you feet, choosing any patch between 1-100 (to
choose patch 23 for example, you would hit "2" then "3", as soon as
you hit 3 it will jump to patch 23). This is okay, but bank mode is
more useful. In bank mode, ther are ten banks of ten presets. If you
are on bank 01 for instance, each of the pedals 1-10 instanly calls
up a patch (this is quicker than always hitting at least two pedals
to call up a patch in d.select mode). YOu switch between the ten
banks by pressing the up and down buttons. So making the light above
switch 10/0 go off upon entering global setup will put you in bank
mode, sweet. Now lets get back to the midi channels. Press "up" once,
the midi function led starts flasahing. now hit pedal "1", it
flashes, press "up/enter" and the light on pedal one should stay lit,
and a number should flash in the display. This flashing number is the
midi channel info is being sent on. If it isn't "01" then hit the "0"
then "1" pedals to make it read "01", then press up/enter to confirm.
Now the configuration LED lights up, hit "up" a few more times to get
back to the "midi function" LED flashing. Now repeat the exact same
proceedure for pedal "2". hit pedal 2, it flashes, press "up/enter"
and the light on pedal one should stay lit, and a number should flash
in the display. This flashing number is the midi channel info is
being sent on. If it isn't "01" then hit the "0" then "1" pedals to
make it read "01", then press up/enter to confirm. Then hit up a few
times to get back to midi function LED flashing, and repeat again
until each of the pedals 1-10 is sending out midi on channel 01. When
that is done, and your back to a flashing "configuration" LED--are
any pedal lights lit? If not, then hold "8" until it is lit--this
allows midi data coming in to fcb1010 to merge with 1010 data going
out--this will help if you are plugging ox8 into 1010 with midi
cable, then 1010 into usb interface. If thats not the plan, then get
it to where no pedals are lit when "config" LED is flashing. Exit
global setup mode with a long "down"press.

Now on to midi. The 1010 sends 3 basic types of midi commands.
PRogram change commands are used to instantly select a patch on a
midi keyboard or sound module. Sending a program change of "112"
command will tell whatever device is listening to go to patch 112.
Program change commands do nothing in Live so you won't be needing
those. Second, and most important are control change commands. ccc's
are midi commands that are used to virtuallly turn knobs, move
sliders, turn things on and off, etc. They can be used two ways with
the 1010--to send a fixed command (like turning on an effect, or
instanly switching the pan knob to a desired location), or to send a
range of commands with an expression pedal (so that you can use the
exp like a volume or pan knob, or more creativly in Live assign it to
the cutoff on the auto filter for a wah type pedal, or to other
effect parameters--thus allowing you via the exp pedal to manipulated
the sound in real time). So there are two parts to any midi ccc--what
it is controlling (volume, pan, effect parameter, etc.
) and what the command will do to what it is contolling (for example.
a fixed ccc might turn the volume to a certain level, while the exp
pedal will change the volume with each discrete movement of the exp
pedal.). So whereas program change commands are simply one number
(patch 112, or patch 23) ccc's need to send two or more numbers-first
a number that selects what parameter is to be manipulated (volume,
pan, etc.), and second a number to which the "knob" will be tuned to
(if sending a "fixed" ccc), or if using an exp pedal, a range of
numbers will be sent. There are 127 (1-127) possible contol change
channels (the first number, which selects volume or pan or whatever),
and also 127 (1-127) possible settings on any given "knob" (for
example, if controlling volume 1=no sound, 127=max volume). The third
type of midi info sent by 1010 is note on/off, which is just like it
sounds. YOu are either turning on a midi note (the same as hitting a
key on a midi keyboard), or turning it off. YOu can use these midi
signals most usefully in Live as a way to have a 1010 patch that
turns something on when you hit it, turns it off when you hit it
again, turns it back on when you hit it a third time, off the
fourth......

Back to the 1010 patches. NOw we're in bank mode, the led display
will read 01 if your in bank 1, or 02 in bank 2, on up to bank 10. In
any given bank, all 10 pedals are each individual patches, giving you
10 patches, each a single button press away. So lets go to bank 02,
and edit patch 3. Use up or down buttons to make the number display
read 02 (bank 2), and then hit the "3" pedal--it should light up--
this means you have selected patch 3 in bank 2. Now hold "down" for a
few seconds to enter programming mode.Now you are in programming mode
for that singular patch. Each of the 10 pedals now represent midi
data that you can choose to send (or not to send) for that one
specific patch. If none of the pedals are lit, then that patch will
not send any midi data at all when you hit the pedal in normal bank
mode (not programming mode). For each individual patch in programming
mode, Pedals 1-5 send program change commands exclusively, which do
nothing in Live that i can tell, so for all of your patches that you
use, you wan't NONE of the 1-5 lights lit up when in programming
mode.

Pedals 6 and 7 send "fixed" ccc's. If you want to send a fixed ccc on
a patch you are editing (lets use pedal "6"), hold "6" until the
light comes on, then tap it to make the light flash. Confirm that you
are about to edit by pressing "up/enter". Now a number is displayed--
this is the control change channel--it determines what is going to be
manipulated (volume, pan, effect parameters, etc.) With a keyboard or
midi sound module, you have to read the keyboards manual and find out
what control change channel volume is on (usually 07), then tell the
1010 to send out a c.c.command on c.c.channels 07. HOwever with Live,
life is easier because you can arbitrarily assign any c.c.channel to
any knob or effect parameter in Live--the only catch is to make sure
there are no overlaps. For instance, if you assinged a patch to turn
Lives master volume to a fixed place on c.c.channel 54, but also had
another different patch where you turn the auto filter on using
c.c.channel 54, whenever you hit either of those patches, it would
manipulate both the master volume and the auto filter, so one and
only one c.c.channel per thing in Live that you wish to manipulate
with 1010. So back to our patch. YOu hit up/enter to confirm that we
are editing the midi control change command sent, and a number
started flashing. Lets make that number 101 (hit "1" then "0"
then "1") just for fun. then hit up/enter to confirm. now another
number flashes--this number represents the value of the controle
change 1-127 (like 0=minimum, 127=maximum). SOmetimes a control
change is used to simply turn things on or off, like stating
recording of a clip in live. Since these types of commands are
usually on or off, they are not like a volume knob. Therefore, often
a range of control change values will have the same effect (it is
common for ccvalues 1-63 to turn something off, while values 64-127
turn it on). back to the patch. Lets choose 127, as we are making a
patch to record a clip in live, and it wants any number from 64-127.
hit "1" then "2" then 7" and the confirm with up/enter. NOw the "6"
light should be lit. If any other lights are lit besides 6, hold them
until they shut off. Now exit programming mode with a long "down"
press, and we should be back to bank 02, with the "3" pedal lit up.
Patch 3 on bank 2 is now programmed to send a control change command
on control change channel 102, with a control change value of 127. In
live go to edit midi map, and mouse click on a clip slot on a track.
then hit your patch on the 1010 (just hit "3"). a number should
appear in live. Now exit the midi map in live. now hit you patch
again ("3") and recording should start in the clip slot (if you are
quantizing, you'll need to start playback then hit you patch). hit
your patch again to stop the clip from recording and loop it. See my
previous messages for quantiztion info.

Say you wanted to edit an expression pedal of a patch. lets do patch
4 in bank 2. with 02 showing (means your in bank 2), hit pedal "4".
you just selected that patch. now hold "down" for a bit to enter
programming mode. Hold down the pedals that have lights lit until all
pedal lights are out. now hold down "8" until it is lit, then tap it
to make it flash. then hit up/enter to confirm you're about to edit
exp pedal "a" for this patch (exp. pedal b is controlled by "9" is
the same way exp pedal a is controlled by "8"). First select the
control change channel the pedal will send info on (1-127)--lets
choose 98--hit "9" then "8" then up/enter to confirm. Now another
number is flashing--this is the lowest range your pedal will send, if
we using this as a volume pedal, and we want it to go all the way to
silence, choose "00" here (by hitting "0" then "0"). if we want the
volume to not fully cut off when the pedal is fully back choose a
value higher, like 28. confirm your choice by pressing up/enter. now
yet another number appears--this is the upper range of the exp.
pedal. If we want to be able to go to full volume, choose 127 then
up/enter to confirm. NOw the "8" light should be lit. hold "down" to
exit programming mode, and were back to bank 02, patch 4. now when
you select patch 4 in bank 2 on the 1010 (by simply hittin "4" while
in bank 02) the exp pedal A is will send control change commands on
control change channel 98, when fully back the pedal will transmit a
signal of 28 (or whatever you chose), and when fully forward it will
send a value of 127 (max). It will smoothly glide between these two
values as you rock exp pedal a back and forth. now all thats left is
to tell Live what to do with this midi information. Goto edit midi
map in live, and click on a fader of a track. then hit your 1010
patch (just hit "4"). numbers should appear in Live. exit edit midi
map in live. now try rocking the exp pedal a back and forth while a
clip plays or while you play your intrument on that track--should act
as a volume pedal.

One other thing i forgot to mention was the use of midi note
on/off. When in programming mode for a patch, pedals 1-5 are used
for midi program change signal, 6-7 are used to send "fixed" control change
commands, 8-9 are used with exp pedals to send variable ccc's, and pedal 10 is
used to send note on/off. If you hold down "10" while in programming mode
for a patch, then tap it to make it flash, then press up/enter to confirm
editing--now a number should flash--this number represents a midi
note. I use either the lowest numbers or highest numbers--these represent the
lowest and highest keys on a keyboard. I use these to control things in
Live with 1010 so that when playing the keyboard, I am unlikely to accidentally
turn something on or off in Live as I rarely play in those regions of the
keyboard. So, choose a number low or high, and press up.enter to
confirm. Then a long "down" press to exit programming mode. Now that patch
will send midi note on when you hit it (it will turn something on in Live once
you assign it) and midi note off when you hit it again (turning whatever
off in Live). If you hit it again its back on, a fourth time its off again,
and so on. Use this to make patches that turn effects on a off, or turn
monitoring for a channel on and off. What is useful about midi note on/off is
that one patch pedal can be use to turn an effect on and off, just like a
guitar stomp box pedal, whereas you would need two 1010 patches using ccc's
to turn a device on and off (though you could use a patch with an exp. pedal
sending cccs that would turn something on when the pedal is forward, and off
when back). Now that you're off and running, the sky is the limit.
Both the 1010 and Live are so flexible, just about anything can be
accomplished. One other thing to note, and given 1010 patch can send many midi signals
at once--i.e. when in programming mode for a specific patch, you might
end up with lights 6-10 light up for a patch (though unlikely). More likely
might be a patch that uses note on/off to turn on the auto filter, and has
one exp pedal assinged to the freq., and another to the "q" (resonance). Hit
that patch, the auto filter turns on, and the pedals are ready to tweak
the filter.
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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:30 pm 

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omega13lives wrote:
LoopStationZebra wrote:

Seriously? You're going to call me out? What a dick.

I lol'd. I gave a razz emoticon. My post was done with a touch of humour, but also with serious intent. There are DOZENS of EXCELLENT fcb threads here. The point was that it couldn't hurt to do a simple search.

I think I'm going to start a thread now called "Has anyone used the Launchpad?"

:P


Since you apparently don't care about helping people, why do you bother to reply? Just to annoy people? "calling you out"? If that's all it takes to get you ready to fight, I don't ever want to meet you.



omfg. You've utterly missed the point.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=130468&p=1028978&hilit=fcb1010#p1028978
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113214&p=886487&hilit=fcb1010#p886487
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=112330&p=878869&hilit=fcb1010#p878869

I'll expect your apology forthwith. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
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omega13lives - yeah, just ignore the guy.

c'mon Loops, play nice with the new kids.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:44 pm 

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Tone Deft wrote:
omega13lives - yeah, just ignore the guy.

c'mon Loops, play nice with the new kids.



lol, I know I know.

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:lol:

trust me, I know the feeling. "AGAIN?!?!?!?!"

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 Post subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot Controller
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:01 am 

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I would like to thank those who offered some kind of answer whether it be a couple of lines or a few paragraphs. And I would like to apologize to those who thought I should have done a search first before starting one of these threads. I'm sorry that my ignorance caused such a stir for you to inform me of my simple mistake. I'm old school. I apologize even if I don't have to. On the other hand, I got a good laugh at some of those reactions. "Yo dude.." LOL I hear this type of street language at the schools I work at. Back in my day it was "far out", "out of sight" "I can dig it" and all the other Cheech and Chong slang. LOL I guess I'm dealing with a younger crowd in these forums these days. "Cool!"


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