[OT] Is USA and The World safer now due to Bush?

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Is USA and The World safer now due to Bush?

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noisetonepause
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Post by noisetonepause » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:18 pm

Personally, I'm not quite sure what people MEAN when they say al-Qaeda. I think it's a term like tarmac or hoover or tannoy (or iPod, apparently); it used to be a brand name, but now it just means 'Muslim fundamentalists'. The idea (and I feel this is the idea that's being pushed by Bush as well as Kerry) that there's a global moslem conspiracy (notice how every one seems to have 'connections to al-Qaeda'?) against 'our' values is just laughable when you've got 20 or more mosques for fifty odd thousand moslems (practising as well as non-practising) in Copenhagen (1.2 million citizens) alone cos somebody from Morocco won't pray with someone from Pakistan, and you're telling me they're all plotting to take over the world together? Seriously. That dog just don't hunt!

Fundamentalism of all sorts is always seen in periods of decline. This wave of Islamic fundamentalism is a relatively new thing, not more than twenty years old. Hell, a quarter of a century ago, Osama bin Laden was in Saville Row suits, clean shaven and peddling oil to the US! Many people who in the sixties and seventies subscribed to socialism or secular arabic nationalism are 'regressing' towards radical Islam, and many young people are more religious than their parents.

Another thing - while radical Islam (and I MUST PROTEST against the use of the word 'jihadist' - do you know what Jihad means?) is important to this, don't forget the power politics. Take al-Sadr in Iraq. He was all about armed resistance until he found out that he could gain more from coming to the negatiations table.

-Paws
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Post by unklmic » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:18 pm

I like to think of Bush as a session view without the play buttons, a rewire slave over compressed and clipping like mad.

Less politics and more bass lines please!? Enough dithering already! :roll:

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Post by Hardtoe » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:19 pm

Maniacal, rich, dumb and blinded by questionable religious beliefs. Bush is a grade A idiot who would take down the world to satisfy his ego...


I could be more thoughtful about my post but the plain truth is that Bush is a powerful & dangerous fool....


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Post by smutek » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:21 pm

hoffman2k wrote:I dont get the same cnn Americans get. But recently there was a show called "crossfire" on it
They had Jon stuart as a guest. (from the daily show on comedy central, a show that says george bush is an idiot on daily basis)
He used his time on cnn to beg the hosts to stop telling bullshit to the american people. And use their power to show whats really going on.
By now you will find this video anywhere on the net if you want to see it.
Here

That was an excellent interview.
hoffman2k wrote:But the way stuff is going you can see the masses growing.
Some people just wont accept it. You know why?
Tv has made them choose what to believe.
The opiate of the masses.
hoffman2k wrote:You say alot of people do not wish to see america end up like a battleground.
What a fucking hypocritical thing to say. I bet alot of people did not wish to see vietnam, iraq, afghanistan,.... (long list) end up in battlegrounds.
Face it, even their own city's are warzone's.
Wonderfull points.

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Post by noisetonepause » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:36 pm

About Jihad

Please note, BTW, that the Moslem world was very well known for its religous tolerance up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire, I think. Long as you paid your taxes ;)

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Post by djadonis206 » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:03 pm

We should just Nuke the middle east and end this debate

They're all terrorist who burn their wives up and beat their kids...plus they don't use toilet paper

and they all have the same name

defcon 4 here we come
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Post by djadonis206 » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:15 pm

djadonis206 wrote:We should just Nuke the middle east and end this debate

They're all terrorist who burn their wives up and beat their kids...plus they don't use toilet paper

and they all have the same name

defcon 4 here we come
That was kind of mean - i just watched the 27 greatest episodes of South Park and any and all information I get on other races / cultures comes directly from Eric Cartmans mouth
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Post by blakbeltjonez » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:26 pm

djadonis206 wrote:We should just Nuke the middle east and end this debate

They're all terrorist who burn their wives up and beat their kids...plus they don't use toilet paper

and they all have the same name

defcon 4 here we come

don't think that burning a less-than-satisfactory wife is something that Arab Muslims do, it's definitely a problem that continues to this day in parts of India, though.

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Post by Darrel855 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:33 am

Oh well if your an arab muslim and you burn your wife you probally have like 5 or 6 more so it dont really matter now does it :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Anyone from the U.S. seen these very large and obnoxious bush and chenney signs people are permitted to put in there yards they must be like 5foot x 3foot ?Ive been tryin to steel every one I see. Its become a very fun after the bar game for me.

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:46 am

http://guerrillanews.tv/content/viewer.html

new eminem video. i am told its an internet release only, as the networks would never allow it.

love him or hate him, you gotta respect this one.

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Post by noisetonepause » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:47 am

djadonis206 wrote:We should just Nuke the middle east and end this debate

They're all terrorist who burn their wives up and beat their kids...plus they don't use toilet paper

and they all have the same name

defcon 4 here we come
Yeah and America had better hurry. In three years you'll all weigh 500 pounds or more and won't be able to fit into the cockpit of your aeroplanes any more...

As to multiple wives, I'm surprised Bush isn't for it - he seems to prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament ;)

-Paws

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Post by Martyn » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:23 am

noisetonepause wrote:
Yeah and America had better hurry. In three years you'll all weigh 500 pounds or more and won't be able to fit into the cockpit of your aeroplanes any more...
-Paws
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by claudek » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:38 am

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:38 am

djadonis206 wrote: That was kind of mean - i just watched the 27 greatest episodes of South Park and any and all information I get on other races / cultures comes directly from Eric Cartmans mouth
Thanks for reminding me. It's airing tonight if i'm not wrong.
South Park sure is educational :)
I love how they play with the recent news. Only a week or so after 9/11 they did a show thats was making fun of OBL. Looney-tunes-style
A couple of days after they captured saddam, he was also on the show.

So tonight, south park a week before the elections :)
Cant wait too see it.
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Post by djadonis206 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:18 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
Yeah and America had better hurry. In three years you'll all weigh 500 pounds or more and won't be able to fit into the cockpit of your aeroplanes any more...

As to multiple wives, I'm surprised Bush isn't for it - he seems to prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament ;)

-Paws
Since we're on the subject of being nice on the surface (I started it :) ) let's just hope Europeans catch a clue on personal hygiene and the importance of dental work, fuck nuclear weapons they could just scare the Middle East back to the Old testament with a mug shot.
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