Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

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evanb
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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by evanb » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:08 pm

I am so confused also what to get. My main focus is to get something to sequence drum tracks...I dont know if the LP or APC is better they just seem different. I want somethign very intuitive and still need to get a keyboard controller

So was thinking a

LP + Novation Remote SL 25
APC40 + Akai MPK 25
LP + Novation Remote Zero + LPK25

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by Tone Deft » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:13 pm

evanb wrote:I am so confused also what to get. My main focus is to get something to sequence drum tracks...I dont know if the LP or APC is better they just seem different. I want somethign very intuitive and still need to get a keyboard controller

So was thinking a

LP + Novation Remote SL 25
APC40 + Akai MPK 25
LP + Novation Remote Zero + LPK25
of all those devices only the MPK is suitable for playing drums on.

the LP and APC are not velocity sensitive. I have programmed drums on them, they work fine but no velocity. I use my mpc for that.

the SL series drum pads are awful, I have an SL25.

I might suggest an LP + MPK. I'd also throw in a BCR because I love that box and everyone can use gobs of knobs.
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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by evanb » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:17 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
evanb wrote:I am so confused also what to get. My main focus is to get something to sequence drum tracks...I dont know if the LP or APC is better they just seem different. I want somethign very intuitive and still need to get a keyboard controller

So was thinking a

LP + Novation Remote SL 25
APC40 + Akai MPK 25
LP + Novation Remote Zero + LPK25
of all those devices only the MPK is suitable for playing drums on.

the LP and APC are not velocity sensitive. I have programmed drums on them, they work fine but no velocity. I use my mpc for that.

the SL series drum pads are awful, I have an SL25.

I might suggest an LP + MPK. I'd also throw in a BCR because I love that box and everyone can use gobs of knobs.

My main goal is to have something easy to setup, thats intuitive for sequencing drum patters and controlling effects and vsts

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by humnumb » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:55 pm

ShelLuser wrote:Actually not sure I agree there. When, for example, looking at the combo Launchpad + Nocturn you'd basically end up with a bigger pad and less knobs.
Nocturn + Launchpad still has Novation Automap which handles third party plugins very well which is something APC40 cannot do at all, other than building racks and assigning macros. Also, the Nocturn script by guille offers far more controls for Live out of the box than APCs: transpose audio/midi clip, loop start, loop length, scrub...etc. With this setup along with a usb keypad or a nanokontrol with keystrokes mapped to midi buttons can pretty much eliminate the need to use the mouse.

At this point though, I would recommend the iPad over either.

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by old school user » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:56 pm

I can see a Launchpad for iPad in the future.

check this one: http://www.midipad.de/midipad/midipad_screenshots.html

the future looks bright, at least as far as wireless controllers for Live goes

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:56 pm

old school user wrote:I can see a Launchpad for iPad in the future.

check this one: http://www.midipad.de/midipad/midipad_screenshots.html

the future looks bright, at least as far as wireless controllers for Live goes
of course. nothing would be simpler than taking a screen touch and converting that into OSC to send over WiFi. there's nothing to it.

what the iPad won't be good at is audio processing, it's too weak. but for graphics and detecting button presses, that stuff is dead simple. someone might as well make an app that has a few dozen controller shapes that allows the user to edit what they send and what they react to, then let them set the color, size, max/min values, shape and position on the screen.


dunno, for $400-$800 what other controller might I get? I'll wait to see if anything revolutionary comes out. I have touchOSC for the iPhone but I haven't used it, do I really need to control Live wirelessly?
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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by 3dot... » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:07 pm

apc...a good deal...(mixer...device..send controls...xfader..all-in-one)
LaunchPad...real for people like me..which already have other controllers..
(bigger buttons..4 modes of operation..8x8 grid+extra buttons)

for me.. the all-in-one deal is sort if a compromise..
I'd rather have..
a mixer(with sends)..
an audio interface...
a keyboard controller ..
mixer/device controller..
live grid control/matrix controller (shame these controllers are not velocity sensitive..yet)

separated..
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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by delicioso » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:17 pm

evanb wrote:My main goal is to have something easy to setup, thats intuitive for sequencing drum patters and controlling effects and vsts
I would highly recommend getting Maschine. It integrates superbly with Live and also makes for an excellent controller for Live as well as plugins.
Tone Deft wrote:someone might as well make an app that has a few dozen controller shapes that allows the user to edit what they send and what they react to, then let them set the color, size, max/min values, shape and position on the screen.
You mean something like this?
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Argos Interface Builder is an open-source drag-and-drop interface tool, for Windows and Mac, designed for building multi-touch music and visual performance applications that lets you drag in basic widgets like buttons, sliders, toggles, envelopes, and x-y pads, and assign them to OSC.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/02/1 ... ad-beyond/

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:36 pm

woot!

IMO like everything else on the web it will come down to porn.

so the real question is - will the iFap's case hold up to petroleum based lubricants?
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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by leisuremuffin » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:26 am

lunchpad + nomone = incredibly cheap fun


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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by evanb » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:06 am

I really want a controller with everything in front of you, no hitting shift and paging controls or anything...I want dedicated buttons just like hardware..here is where I see the APC shining...I think from the production aspect in the studio having dedicated buttons help you...you shouldn't have to think much to achieve simple tasks like volume, arm, solo and basic effect controls

I am about to order a APC40 next week to add to my maschine now just need to find a slim down keyboard controller, I am even considering getting a novation sl and having automap handle the vst controls for my soft synths and the apc for the effects and of cource recording clips, and control of tracks

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by tenderboy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:40 am

for live-use i prefer the apc40 hands down, everything i need at my fingertips without having to change modes or anything...

i mainly use the lunchpad for practising programming max4live and for taking with me everywhere with my laptop...but on stage its the apc

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by agent314 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:30 pm

I've had the APC for about a month and got the LP yesterday, and between the two, the APC's workflow is SO much quicker and more responsive than the LP that it's kind of hard to compare.

I'm happy to have both, because the APC having 5 scenes is just slightly too few to be ideal, but the LP's non-clip-launching functions (mixer/pan, arming/soloing, track selection) all leave a LOT to be desired in terms of performance and response. Changing between Session/Mixer/User modes is too slow to be useful in realtime the way I've been using the APC. Plus, no dedicated tempo/tap/transport features really limit it in a lot of ways that I didn't expect it to be.

What I really want is an APC64, an APC40 with 64 triggers and maybe a couple more sends or some assignable quick-change buttons to jump back to a certain device/instrument/etc. along with drum-rack-enabled pads a la the 20 and LP.

I love the APC, and so far the LP is great for how I'm using it - but if I wanted to do with the LP what I'm doing with the APC, I would be sorely disappointed. The separate faders/rotaries (which, as stated before, are fantastic, btw) are huge, and while the LP can physically DO it, the workflow for it just isn't as smooth as I would want it to be.

Between the two, they're both awesome in their respective spheres, and they work great in tandem with each other (esp. using the APC to cue/record/launch patterns, and playing them in via the LP), but I think the APC's balance is better overall.

Not being able to toss it in my bag and have it be USB powered does suck though - the LP's got that going for it, which is actually bigger a selling point than I thought it would be.

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by humnumb » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:49 pm

agent314 wrote:I've had the APC for about a month and got the LP yesterday, and between the two, the APC's workflow is SO much quicker and more responsive than the LP that it's kind of hard to compare.
That's missing the point of the Launchpad though. It's not meant to be compared to the APC on its own. Launchpad is geared towards a modular setup with other controllers. When you look at how most people are using the Launchpad in conjunction with other portable/usb-powered devices like Nocturn (w/ guille's script) and nanoKontrol (w/ Myralfur's script), it actually compares favorably to the APC.

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Re: Ok seriously, APC40 or Launchpad?

Post by blue frog beats » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:43 am

Ummmm do you really have to ask? APC40 without a doubt

the LP is basically a scaled down, shitty version of the APC40. Without Faders, Without control knobs, without the ability to be more than anything besides... u guessed it... a launchpad.

This isn't even a debate

APC40 shits on the LP

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