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 Post subject: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:01 pm 

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What's the verdict on this???

I'm happy to forfeit 200GB of hard disk space if it means I can turn a 13' Macbook pro with 4GB of RAM into something as fast and affordable as the previous 15" Macbook pro that required the 7200rpm HD upgrade (breath) - if that makes sense??

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:18 pm 

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i dont know if its bullshit or voodoo or whatever..had a gig last weekend and L8 refused to load the projekt for 3 times... either this was vodoo..a real special bug that checks that you are on stage..or..

vibration? problems of the harddrive to read the files because of bassvibration? is that possible? the stage was indeed shaking...


The first time i think about solid state drives now...

anybody had vibration issues with laptops on stage? or is ther no way ths can affect an harddrive?

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:37 pm 

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The SSD really makes a big difference, but remember that when you have your library on an external drive the whole experience wont be faster than that external one. However, you can still put livesets on the ssd and everything will load super smooth.


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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:52 pm 

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3phase wrote:
vibration? problems of the harddrive to read the files because of bassvibration? is that possible?


Indeed it is a possibilty.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:36 pm 

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ok... thats an ultimat argument for an ssd..- how much/szise are they wright now? havent watched ..wanted to wait up to the time they went cheap...

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:48 pm 

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Good read:

http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage- ... rview.html

http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage- ... rives.html

http://macperformanceguide.com/Recommen ... rives.html

http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage-Intro.html

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:58 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:04 pm 

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Solid State is pointless on Mac, until OS X supports TRIM operations.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:50 pm 

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?? could you expülain why? so its not possible to place one in a mac?

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:02 pm 

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Is TRIM related to that?: http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage- ... oning.html

What about the new MacBook Pros shipping with optional SSD then?

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:37 pm 

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You can put an SSD into a mac fine yea, and it will operate...

Taken from wikipedia, cause it can explain it better than I can....
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In computing, a TRIM command allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (or "SSD") which data blocks, such as those belonging to a deleted file, are no longer considered in use.

Since an operating system command such as delete generally only means the data blocks are flagged in its file system as "not in use" (and thus available for new writes), the operation does not involve a physical write to the sectors that contain the data. While this often enables undelete tools to recover files from traditional hard disks, despite them being reported as "deleted" by the operating system, bypassing the storage medium also means that it remains unaware that the status of these sectors was changed. Because low-level operation of solid-state drives differs significantly from traditional hard disks (see details below), this approach resulted in unanticipated performance degradation of write operations on SSDs. In response to this, the TRIM command was introduced to allow the OS to explicitly pass the information on to the SSD controller, enabling the SSD to handle overhead that would otherwise impact future write operations on the involved blocks. [1]



Without TRIM support the write times get exponentially slower, ultimately resulting in a HD slower than 7200rpm, and further.
Currently OS X does not support TRIM, so buying a Mac with an SSD, or upgrading the HD to SSD with intention of acheiving faster read.write speeds, will ultimately be shorted lived.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:59 pm 

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it souds likely that the trim will be there in an os update then....

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:30 pm 

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3phase wrote:
it souds likely that the trim will be there in an os update then....

Yeaa, you'd think... But how long have Apple been floggin the Macbook air with SSD for? Should have warrented a TRIM update a long time ago, but its not happened... which makes it overdue.. Im just saying, its probably not advisable (imo) to invest in the technology until theres full OS support.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:46 pm 

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re.mark wrote:
3phase wrote:
it souds likely that the trim will be there in an os update then....

Yeaa, you'd think... But how long have Apple been floggin the Macbook air with SSD for? Should have warrented a TRIM update a long time ago, but its not happened... which makes it overdue.. Im just saying, its probably not advisable (imo) to invest in the technology until theres full OS support.



i dont think so... when its an option for the actual probooks now its standard next year...
thats the way apple works... they are never the first with new technology... but whe they introduce it they are so absolute about that and deliver solid implementation that it allmost looks that they have been the first introducing it to mankind...

i wouldnt worry about os support in the future for the new stadard in laptop drives

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 Post subject: Re: Solid State Drive vs 7200 rpm
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:17 am 

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very curious about ssd drives aswell,, been running live and my live set off of a ram disk and loving it,, just running out of space.

just speculation but im sure apple wont want to incoporate "trim" instead they would rather rename it something else, reverse engineer it and put it out as a "revolutionary" apple only feature.. seems to be the way they roll, just sayin

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