8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by jnobody » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:53 am

Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

Thanks for the feedback. I'm preparing release notes now.

Best,
Thanks! Release notes are important for pro users.

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by Dennis DeSantis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:37 pm

Hi folks,

Release notes have now been added to the 8.1.3 announcement post.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141021

Best,

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by killingtime » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:41 pm

This is very much apreciated, thank you

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by Zky » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:48 pm

thanks dennis

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by ethios4 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:13 pm

Thanks D!

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by ShelLuser » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:15 pm

Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

Release notes have now been added to the 8.1.3 announcement post.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141021
Not to nitpick in any way (personally I still think this is a waste of time) but you left something out.

When going over the user account licenses in the preference screen it used to list all your software instruments, effects and expansions. Now all it says is "Live 8 + 11 instruments" instead of actually listing the lot.

So something changed there as well ;-)

Edit: don't get me wrong here; I recognize and fully respect the effort put into this, I just question the usefulness ;-)
With kind regards,

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by The Carpet Cleaner » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:17 pm

That is great Ableton . You are still the company that is close to its customer. congrats !

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by rasputin » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:20 pm

As an amateur [l]user, I'm in a great position. Power users hold Ableton's feet to the fire and raise the bar extremely high in terms of their expectations of performance, stability and functionality. For people like me, an occasional bug or crash is no big deal, but for the pro or semi-pro it is. So the application ends up better.
I was surprised to read the beginning of this thread that there were no release notes; since by the time I got to downloading the update the notes were already up. I didn't realize it was because of the agitation of the demanding users here. As someone pointed out; at least Ableton is still listening to their customers.
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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by dum » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:21 pm

ShelLuser wrote:
Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

Release notes have now been added to the 8.1.3 announcement post.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141021
Not to nitpick in any way (personally I still think this is a waste of time) but you left something out.

When going over the user account licenses in the preference screen it used to list all your software instruments, effects and expansions. Now all it says is "Live 8 + 11 instruments" instead of actually listing the lot.

So something changed there as well ;-)

Edit: don't get me wrong here; I recognize and fully respect the effort put into this, I just question the usefulness ;-)
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Guy, the changelogs have been re-instated.
You say you're not nitpicking, but you are. And with the weakest possible premise.
Pasha wrote:Thanks dum for being so precise.

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by Dennis DeSantis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:23 pm

ShelLuser wrote:
Dennis DeSantis wrote:Not to nitpick in any way (personally I still think this is a waste of time) but you left something out.

When going over the user account licenses in the preference screen it used to list all your software instruments, effects and expansions. Now all it says is "Live 8 + 11 instruments" instead of actually listing the lot.

So something changed there as well ;-)

Edit: don't get me wrong here; I recognize and fully respect the effort put into this, I just question the usefulness ;-)

Hi ShelLuser,

Are you questioning the usefulness of this change to the preference screen or the usefulness of the release notes?

In re: the preference screen, we feel that the web is the best place to see license information, and that this list in the software was starting to look bloated and unwieldy. That being said, the whole topic is under review.

In re: the release notes, it is simply not possible to provide a byte-for-byte list of changes from one version to the next. No company can do this. Release notes will always be some kind of consolidation of possible information.

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by ShelLuser » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:56 pm

Hi Dennis,
Dennis DeSantis wrote:In re: the preference screen, we feel that the web is the best place to see license information, and that this list in the software was starting to look bloated and unwieldy. That being said, the whole topic is under review.
*nod*. A very logical change indeed considering that the website is basically the source for authorizations in the first place.
Dennis DeSantis wrote:In re: the release notes, it is simply not possible to provide a byte-for-byte list of changes from one version to the next. No company can do this.
My point exactly, thanks.

@DUM:
dum wrote:Guy, the changelogs have been re-instated.
You say you're not nitpicking, but you are. And with the weakest possible premise.
True, I was nitpicking, but not with that specific intention. My intention here was getting a point across.

So now we have changelogs, and those logs give you a rough indication of the implemented changes.

Would you care to explain to me again what the added value here is, apart from the people who are now very happy and the extra work Ableton had to put into all this? I'm dead serious here, how many of the listed fixed bugs actually concerned you?

I've been testing in the past 3 - 4 days and noticed that the bugs which I could easily reproduce yet never bothered me are now gone. Should I now be worried if I don't find some of those mentioned in the changelogs?

And how many more people will now emerge really wondering "hey, my bug wasn't listed" and are now going to mail customer support about it because they didn't see their bug fixed?

I applaud the effort which went into this, but I really wonder the overall usefulness. Esp. for Ableton. I'd rather see those guys working on Live and other projects.

Well, right now I hope they're enjoying their weekend ;-)
With kind regards,

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by H20nly » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:01 pm

@ at ShelLuser don't mind the guy stroking his wee little wee.

when he's not checking under rocks hoping to find turds he likes to sit in his lonely world and scoff at everyone else for not being angry little leprechauns too.

being practical has nothing to do with this narrow perspective.
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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by Slightlydelic » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:25 pm

some of the things mentioned that crash live seem realy weird, it boggles my mind just trying to wrap my head arround how the programers would even account for senarios like that in the first place let alone fix problems like that.

well done guys for the continued efforts.

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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by Coupe70 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:01 pm

I have to say "thank you!" but also - like it said in the poll -
"this should go without saying!". Good that we have it back
like we were used to and like it is useful !

This changlog shows me some things:

First: How should I - if I was Italian - know that everything
is now available in Italian when there is no changelog? That
is a thing I definetely do not test for like I perhaps would
for certain bugs I reported. Just one example of the usefulness
of changelogs in terms of improvements to the software.

Second: Wow, that's a pretty long list ! Or have you just been
extra precise in this changelog ?

Third: In the last updates there were still many fixes for
"simple" bugs like "When you do X Live crashes" - now it seems
it goes more in depth like "When you do X while Y and Z Live could
crash". This gives me hope...
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Re: 8.1.3 Release Notes/Bug Fixes

Post by mr.adl » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:21 pm

Thanx for bringing back the changelog!

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