how to do crystall-echo?

[dum]

more typing with no substance.

If I've ever passed something off as fact, that isn't in fact a fact - by all means bring that to my attention. You will have a hard time finding such instances.

Time and time again, I see you propagating false information as if it's a fact. And any time you're called on it.... same ole smother-with-irrelevant-information response. Just admit you are wrong when you're wrong, and I'll have no beef with you. Or better yet, just stop talking out of your ass when you have no real idea of what you're saying. The guy offered a query, and you gave him a completely wrong answer. If you had even said 'I think' I would have nothing to say to you. But, like must hacks in the world, such disclaimers aren't a part of your M.O. If you weren't sure what the guy was referring to, you could have asked. Again - not part of your M.O. .... the sad part is you live up to the archetype of a hack teacher to a T. If you're as bad offline as you are online, I am not surprised you're out of work.

And to take a bite of your red herring - you talk about my work, as if it's relevant to this thread, well to put it simply I work with visual media and I'm not at liberty to associate that work with my idle chit-chat online. No one else in the team is either. As for my personal stuff, that's online available for anyone to hear on the sites myspace, soundcloud, virb, soundclick, reverbnation.... I keep my art and my chit-chat separate. How that makes me 'wrong' and you 'right' is beyond me, but there you go. That's why there's no link in my sig.

So, for the third time, explain to us what you were talking about when you answered the OP. Tell us how to recreate the crystal echo effect with psp42s and a reverb.

*staying tuned in the far-fetched hope you'll actually post something substantial*

[leedsquietman]

You create it with a 42 and a reverb and a MODULATION effect (usually chorus/ADT or flange, which often work by pitch shifting one side a few cents up and the other down). It ain't rocket science.

The examples I gave already showcased this. We basically are in agreement about the use of Eventide harmonizers, which are basically reverb/delay with modulation FX/pitch shift the same as the examples I gave. A self fulfilling prophesy, you don't NEED an Eventide H3000, HW8000 or whatever to get that effect, although it's convenient to have it in one hardware unit as opposed to 2 or 3 - the TC 6000 and Lexicon PCM 92/96 can also achieve these results. Early versions of the Eventide were more designed purely as pitchshifting, it wasn't until the H3000 in 1988 that you got a combination of real useful fx, ditto the Yamaha SPX90/990.

The Sound Toys collection is really good too, good recommendation.

[3dot...]

I don't really yet know the effect your after..
but..
I think what you guys are talking about is the Eventide H910
http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/P ... /H910.aspx

an FFT based harmonizer ...
or the Varispeech...also an FFT domain unit
http://obsoletetechnology.files.wordpre ... 010133.jpg
http://obsoletetechnology.wordpress.com ... peech-27y/
I got educated on these in the 'audio damage' blog a while back
if this is the case...
then discord2+Reverb+clip envelopes should do the trick..

[leedsquietman]

As I already mentioned before, AMS - with the AMS DMX15-80s was one of the first echo / delay units with pitch shifting and (later versions) sampling/looping, were an option, ahead of eventide.

http://www.dancetech.com/item.cfm?threadid=2863&lang=0

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/cargo ... nnett.html




as used extensively on Joy Division's albums in 1979 and 1980.

[SubFunk]

*staying tuned in the far-fetched hope you'll actually post something substantial*

[leedsquietman]

There's more than one way to catch a fish, except some people have tunnel vision and can't see past their own blinkered view.

[vernedig]

can anyobdy point out any famous audio example for this 'crystal' echo?

listen to this wonderful music, the song light over the ranges: http://www.myspace.com/cnaujoks

and for piano: how will one find something which ist just right to achieve slight shifting reverbs as in the music-piece mentioned?

and, could you possibly use only effects etc. included in ableton live?

[dum]

You create it with a 42 and a reverb and a MODULATION effect (usually chorus/ADT or flange, which often work by pitch shifting one side a few cents up and the other down). It ain't rocket science.

The examples I gave already showcased this. We basically are in agreement about the use of Eventide harmonizers, which are basically reverb/delay with modulation FX/pitch shift the same as the examples I gave. A self fulfilling prophesy, you don't NEED an Eventide H3000, HW8000 or whatever to get that effect, although it's convenient to have it in one hardware unit as opposed to 2 or 3 - the TC 6000 and Lexicon PCM 92/96 can also achieve these results. Early versions of the Eventide were more designed purely as pitchshifting, it wasn't until the H3000 in 1988 that you got a combination of real useful fx, ditto the Yamaha SPX90/990.

The Sound Toys collection is really good too, good recommendation.

As I already mentioned before, AMS - with the AMS DMX15-80s was one of the first echo / delay units with pitch shifting and (later versions) sampling/looping, were an option, ahead of eventide.

http://www.dancetech.com/item.cfm?threadid=2863&lang=0

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/cargo ... nnett.html




as used extensively on Joy Division's albums in 1979 and 1980.

As you mentioned before... but certainly not as you entered this discussion. Now you're prattling on about the history of the h3000. Pretty easy to do so after it's brought to your attention.

The usual bluster, from the same tired old unemployed hack.

[leedsquietman]

It lives !

Barely ... I waited all weekend for your insults and this was the best you can do.

You're losing your touch old man - but not your wit - you never had any to lose in the first place ...

[dum]

^^^ Boring. You can't entice me into insulting you: there's no need. And you only do so when you're caught out anyway

[leedsquietman]

Ahh, you disappoint me grasshopper.

Chin Poko master says 'Man with hand in pocket feels cocky all day...'

[vernedig]

thanks guys, you really are special.

[q.musgrove]

Yeah, that's why I love this forum. Posing a question is sometimes like throwing a steak into a box full of wolverines but only more often than not, out of the chaos and flailing debris will come some stroganoff or more likely sausage... yeah, tons of edible sausage

[H20nly]

probably a combination of...

you should be ashamed leeds. "I think" is much more acceptable than probably. didn't you get the dumo?

[dum]

once again, h20 joins a thread he has no interest in purely for purposes of shite-hawking.

This was a common way to achieve this effect back in the day.

no room for misinterpretation here.