APC40 button behavior when midi mapped - lights

[memes_33]

i started to look at the APC threads in this forum, but they are over 60 pgs, and i don't feel like dealing with it, so immu ask it here.

so i mostly used the standard mapped layout on the APC40, but there's a few buttons i like to map. for instance, i have the "Solo/Cue" buttons mapped to send A so that the button is hit, the send is all of the way up, then the button is hit again, and it returns to zero. i would love to see a light when the send is engaged- how do i map the APC40 so it lights up when the send button is pushed/engaged (i.e.- all of the way up) and unlights when the send is disengaged (i.e. all the way down).

is it possible to do this without M4L?

[S4racen]

If you set up a bunch of dummy clips that send midi back to the APC40 you can do it natively within live but you'll need one track for everybutton, and then they can often get out of sync....

Any other ideas people?

(I'm of course not going to say it's simple with M4L and i've got it running with up to 8 sends across the clip stop buttons that react to movement within live as well as you pressing the buttons which can either be momentary or toggle....)

Cheers
D

[memes_33]

that sounds like a less-than-ideal solution, but thanks for the work-around.

how about changing the "play" "stop" and "record" buttons (midi-mapped) into momentary rather than toggle? is there an easy way to do this (without m4l!)?

[JuanSOLO]

Not much you can do to make buttons momentary on the APC40 without M4L or Bomes, unless you can modify one of Hanz's scripts.

Hanz's scripts are free.

[S4racen]

All of the buttons on an APC40 behave as momentary when you listen to them in M4L it's the way it's translated in Ableton that makes them toggles....

The only way to have them behave as momentary is to restrict there functionality using dummy clips.... I've done this with the repeat of beat repeat but you should be able to search and find the solution...

Cheers
D

[JuanSOLO]

So is it in the Remote Script that makes them toggles, or elsewhere in Ableton?

[0fps]

If you set up a bunch of dummy clips that send midi back to the APC40 you can do it natively within live but you'll need one track for everybutton, and then they can often get out of sync....

Any other ideas people?

(I'm of course not going to say it's simple with M4L and i've got it running with up to 8 sends across the clip stop buttons that react to movement within live as well as you pressing the buttons which can either be momentary or toggle....)

Cheers
D

Where can u find the MIDI implementation chart for APC in order to do programming with dummy clips?

[Hanz_Petrov]

memes_33,

Have you tried switching the APC40 output port Remote setting to "On"? Both the input and the output ports need to have Remote set to On, in order to get LED feedback for manual mappings. No special tricks required.

Hanz

@juanSOLO: The remote scripts handle the LED feedback, which makes the buttons appear to be working as toggles. The APC40 hardware always sends a Note On when a button is pressed and a Note Off when the button is released, no matter what.

@0fps: http://www.akaipro.com/extras/product/a ... _rev_1.pdf

@S4racen: Can't say that I'm a fan of the multi-midi-channel button matrix layout - eight tracks for eight channels for eight buttons indeed! (at least they got that part right for the launchpad ;)

[memes_33]

memes_33,

Have you tried switching the APC40 output port Remote setting to "On"? Both the input and the output ports need to have Remote set to On, in order to get LED feedback for manual mappings. No special tricks required.

hanz- i feel like an idiot, but yes, that was it. i didn't have remote "on" on the output. all my woes are solved thanks to this simple suggestion! you rock!

edit- i guess all my woes are not solved- still not able to turn buttons into momentary like i want! thanks though!